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		<title>By: Shifting Winds &#124; Sublime Oblivion</title>
		<link>http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/2009/03/28/decoupling-from-unwinding/#comment-2058</link>
		<dc:creator>Shifting Winds &#124; Sublime Oblivion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 02:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] fleeing to the perceived haven of last resort &#8211; US Treasury bonds. Yet as I pointed out in Decoupling from the Unwinding, one of the effects of this crisis will be to decisively sever the links between the West and the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] fleeing to the perceived haven of last resort &#8211; US Treasury bonds. Yet as I pointed out in Decoupling from the Unwinding, one of the effects of this crisis will be to decisively sever the links between the West and the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: AK</title>
		<link>http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/2009/03/28/decoupling-from-unwinding/#comment-804</link>
		<dc:creator>AK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 19:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS. I should add that China is continuing to look more promising by the month - http://www.economist.com/finance/displaystory.cfm?story_id=13497030

Coupled with its shift from buying Treasuries to strategic metals, this all bodes quite well for Russia too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS. I should add that China is continuing to look more promising by the month &#8211; <a href="http://www.economist.com/finance/displaystory.cfm?story_id=13497030" rel="nofollow">http://www.economist.com/finance/displaystory.cfm?story_id=13497030</a></p>
<p>Coupled with its shift from buying Treasuries to strategic metals, this all bodes quite well for Russia too.</p>
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		<title>By: AK</title>
		<link>http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/2009/03/28/decoupling-from-unwinding/#comment-802</link>
		<dc:creator>AK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 18:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gks.ru/bgd/free/B04_03/IssWWW.exe/Stg/d02/62.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Rosstat info&lt;/a&gt;
We should note that March of last year had the 2nd highest level of IP in modern Russia, so there&#039;s a certain &quot;high base effect&quot; (I think its called).
I agree it indicates an L-shape so far, but the real issue is when the real recovery will start. I stick by my prediction of H2.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.gks.ru/bgd/free/B04_03/IssWWW.exe/Stg/d02/62.htm" rel="nofollow">The Rosstat info</a><br />
We should note that March of last year had the 2nd highest level of IP in modern Russia, so there&#8217;s a certain &#8220;high base effect&#8221; (I think its called).<br />
I agree it indicates an L-shape so far, but the real issue is when the real recovery will start. I stick by my prediction of H2.</p>
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		<title>By: Fedia Kriukov</title>
		<link>http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/2009/03/28/decoupling-from-unwinding/#comment-799</link>
		<dc:creator>Fedia Kriukov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 15:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was overly optimistic, unfortunately :(

March IP came in at -13.7% y-on-y.  It grew by 11.1% compared to Feb, but it turned out to be a slower rate of growth than in 2008.  Considering that March is 10.7% longer than Feb, IP stayed virtually flat.

But at least it&#039;s not shrinking anymore.

If this is the end of the crisis, then the recovery is shaping up to be L-like.  Not the best scenario.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was overly optimistic, unfortunately <img src='http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>March IP came in at -13.7% y-on-y.  It grew by 11.1% compared to Feb, but it turned out to be a slower rate of growth than in 2008.  Considering that March is 10.7% longer than Feb, IP stayed virtually flat.</p>
<p>But at least it&#8217;s not shrinking anymore.</p>
<p>If this is the end of the crisis, then the recovery is shaping up to be L-like.  Not the best scenario.</p>
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		<title>By: Fedia Kriukov</title>
		<link>http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/2009/03/28/decoupling-from-unwinding/#comment-757</link>
		<dc:creator>Fedia Kriukov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 23:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What really matters is for the economy to once again be pointed in the right direction, especially when it comes to the unfortunately lagging indicator of employment.

If the same IP reading of -13.2% y-on-y remains in effect until Sep, it will at least mean that the real economy is once again growing at the rate it was in 2008, and will reach pre-crisis level in Nov or Dec.  If it goes higher, that would imply a rate of growth higher than in 2008.  E.g., Jan to Feb growth in 2009 was higher than that in 2008 (even if because of a really low base in Jan due to numerous factors).

Unless more external shocks are still in store, of course...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What really matters is for the economy to once again be pointed in the right direction, especially when it comes to the unfortunately lagging indicator of employment.</p>
<p>If the same IP reading of -13.2% y-on-y remains in effect until Sep, it will at least mean that the real economy is once again growing at the rate it was in 2008, and will reach pre-crisis level in Nov or Dec.  If it goes higher, that would imply a rate of growth higher than in 2008.  E.g., Jan to Feb growth in 2009 was higher than that in 2008 (even if because of a really low base in Jan due to numerous factors).</p>
<p>Unless more external shocks are still in store, of course&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: AK</title>
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		<dc:creator>AK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 22:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I threw together a quick &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/px/pmigdp_ru.png&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;graph showing&lt;/a&gt; PMI/GDP/industrial growth for 2008-early 2009. (PS. 2009 Q1 estimate of -7% based on Klepach).

Very high correlation between PMI and PMI-based QoQ GDP indicator, as well as YoY GDP indicator but lagging but lagging by 3 months. Fairly high correlation between PMI-based YoY GDP indicator, and real GDP - see &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.businessneweurope.eu/blobs/99953/0309_Russia_Macro_PMI_GDP_Feb09.gif&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this graph&lt;/a&gt;. Currently only estimate of Q1 growth was -7.0% by deputy Economy Minister Klepach, which is significantly below what ought to be as indicated by PMI (i.e. around -5%) - that said, during the H2 1998 recession real output fell by -9% for half a year, whereas PMI indicated a trough of around -5%. So even if the recession is V shaped - recovers in H2 as Ed believes above (and I agree), we could still see pretty bad overall annual growth (perhaps -4% or -5%) if it turns out that the real downturn in Q1 and Q2 is around -6% or -7%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I threw together a quick <a href="http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/px/pmigdp_ru.png" rel="nofollow">graph showing</a> PMI/GDP/industrial growth for 2008-early 2009. (PS. 2009 Q1 estimate of -7% based on Klepach).</p>
<p>Very high correlation between PMI and PMI-based QoQ GDP indicator, as well as YoY GDP indicator but lagging but lagging by 3 months. Fairly high correlation between PMI-based YoY GDP indicator, and real GDP &#8211; see <a href="http://www.businessneweurope.eu/blobs/99953/0309_Russia_Macro_PMI_GDP_Feb09.gif" rel="nofollow">this graph</a>. Currently only estimate of Q1 growth was -7.0% by deputy Economy Minister Klepach, which is significantly below what ought to be as indicated by PMI (i.e. around -5%) &#8211; that said, during the H2 1998 recession real output fell by -9% for half a year, whereas PMI indicated a trough of around -5%. So even if the recession is V shaped &#8211; recovers in H2 as Ed believes above (and I agree), we could still see pretty bad overall annual growth (perhaps -4% or -5%) if it turns out that the real downturn in Q1 and Q2 is around -6% or -7%.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 19:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anatoly, 
I think you mostly got it right. Russian economy, more or less, will follow the recovery of ruble which, in turn, will recover with oil price.

It is April 5th, and we know that oil price is already way above the low $40s  that the RF government was basing the budget on.

I am encouraged by your demographic analysis during this crisis. It sounds counter intuitive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anatoly,<br />
I think you mostly got it right. Russian economy, more or less, will follow the recovery of ruble which, in turn, will recover with oil price.</p>
<p>It is April 5th, and we know that oil price is already way above the low $40s  that the RF government was basing the budget on.</p>
<p>I am encouraged by your demographic analysis during this crisis. It sounds counter intuitive.</p>
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		<title>By: AK</title>
		<link>http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/2009/03/28/decoupling-from-unwinding/#comment-744</link>
		<dc:creator>AK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 09:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s intriguing, Fedia, and some searching confirms this.

1. PMI tends to lead official YoY% growth by 2 months.

2. VTB - &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&amp;source=web&amp;ct=res&amp;cd=3&amp;url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.usrbc.org%2Fpics%2FFile%2FMember%2520Contributions%2FMarket%2520Analysis%2F2009%2FRussian(UK)%2520GDP%2520PR%25200903.pdf&amp;ei=iCTZSdX5FJ-OtgPn_dmgCg&amp;usg=AFQjCNE5_7l6c6XRpqeKdbABTEeU1DdwOQ&amp;sig2=LnUdhHPG-Ru0a1OgYk3TVw&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Russian GDP Indicator signaled ongoing economic contraction in February&lt;/a&gt;.

Data Summary
                 All Industry      GDP       GDP
                     Index       Indicator Indicator
             (50.0 = no change)_   Y/Y%      Q/Q%
       Mar            58.8          6.6       1.7
2008
       Apr            57.9          6.7       1.6
       May            59.2          6.9       1.8
       Jun            59.0          7.4       1.8
       Jul            57.5          7.3       1.6
       Aug            54.7          6.8       1.3
       Sep            54.6          6.5       1.3
       Oct            48.0          5.2       0.6
       Nov            36.5          2.6      -0.6
       Dec            32.0         -0.3      -1.0
2009   Jan            32.1         -2.9      -1.0
       Feb            38.8         -4.7      -0.3

3. I think the main issue now is what we&#039;re going to see after the October-Jan collapse - a V or U, or an L.

Recently the World Bank estimated 2009 growth at -4.5% and the OECD at -5.6%. They believe it will be an L, because it is a global crisis and the thinking goes Russia will not be able to export itself out of it as in 1998 (when it was a V shaped collapse with rapid recovery, but output fell by -5.3% then).

http://www.businessneweurope.eu/blobs/99953/0309_Russia_Macro_PMI_GDP_Feb09.gif

Anyhow, I think it now depends on the external situation. If Russia could attract credit again and if oil prices begin to rise again (incipient signs of both happening), then it will be more like a U, which means growth would be at perhaps around -3% to -2% like the government is now predicting (-2.2%). If not, we&#039;ll plateau and decline by around -5% as predicted by WB / OECD.

4. The figures here (GPD growth for 2008 breakdown) might be important, but it&#039;s late now and I&#039;m too tired to think about it. Let me know what you make of this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s intriguing, Fedia, and some searching confirms this.</p>
<p>1. PMI tends to lead official YoY% growth by 2 months.</p>
<p>2. VTB &#8211; <a href="http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&#038;source=web&#038;ct=res&#038;cd=3&#038;url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.usrbc.org%2Fpics%2FFile%2FMember%2520Contributions%2FMarket%2520Analysis%2F2009%2FRussian(UK)%2520GDP%2520PR%25200903.pdf&#038;ei=iCTZSdX5FJ-OtgPn_dmgCg&#038;usg=AFQjCNE5_7l6c6XRpqeKdbABTEeU1DdwOQ&#038;sig2=LnUdhHPG-Ru0a1OgYk3TVw" rel="nofollow">Russian GDP Indicator signaled ongoing economic contraction in February</a>.</p>
<p>Data Summary<br />
                 All Industry      GDP       GDP<br />
                     Index       Indicator Indicator<br />
             (50.0 = no change)_   Y/Y%      Q/Q%<br />
       Mar            58.8          6.6       1.7<br />
2008<br />
       Apr            57.9          6.7       1.6<br />
       May            59.2          6.9       1.8<br />
       Jun            59.0          7.4       1.8<br />
       Jul            57.5          7.3       1.6<br />
       Aug            54.7          6.8       1.3<br />
       Sep            54.6          6.5       1.3<br />
       Oct            48.0          5.2       0.6<br />
       Nov            36.5          2.6      -0.6<br />
       Dec            32.0         -0.3      -1.0<br />
2009   Jan            32.1         -2.9      -1.0<br />
       Feb            38.8         -4.7      -0.3</p>
<p>3. I think the main issue now is what we&#8217;re going to see after the October-Jan collapse &#8211; a V or U, or an L.</p>
<p>Recently the World Bank estimated 2009 growth at -4.5% and the OECD at -5.6%. They believe it will be an L, because it is a global crisis and the thinking goes Russia will not be able to export itself out of it as in 1998 (when it was a V shaped collapse with rapid recovery, but output fell by -5.3% then).</p>
<p><a href="http://www.businessneweurope.eu/blobs/99953/0309_Russia_Macro_PMI_GDP_Feb09.gif" rel="nofollow">http://www.businessneweurope.eu/blobs/99953/0309_Russia_Macro_PMI_GDP_Feb09.gif</a></p>
<p>Anyhow, I think it now depends on the external situation. If Russia could attract credit again and if oil prices begin to rise again (incipient signs of both happening), then it will be more like a U, which means growth would be at perhaps around -3% to -2% like the government is now predicting (-2.2%). If not, we&#8217;ll plateau and decline by around -5% as predicted by WB / OECD.</p>
<p>4. The figures here (GPD growth for 2008 breakdown) might be important, but it&#8217;s late now and I&#8217;m too tired to think about it. Let me know what you make of this.</p>
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		<title>By: Fedia Kriukov</title>
		<link>http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/2009/03/28/decoupling-from-unwinding/#comment-733</link>
		<dc:creator>Fedia Kriukov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 02:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right, but if Feb was better than Jan, how is it possible for Feb PMI to be so far in the negative territory?  It&#039;s an anomaly.  (How can you not work and at the same time not formally decrease output?)

Or maybe, like I mentioned, it&#039;s the slope of the PMI that&#039;s more predictive of y-on-y IP direction.  Like in this graph: http://www.markiteconomics.com/images/MarkitEurozone.gif

Anyway, let&#039;s wait for a couple of weeks for IP figures to come out.  Although econometrics are fun!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right, but if Feb was better than Jan, how is it possible for Feb PMI to be so far in the negative territory?  It&#8217;s an anomaly.  (How can you not work and at the same time not formally decrease output?)</p>
<p>Or maybe, like I mentioned, it&#8217;s the slope of the PMI that&#8217;s more predictive of y-on-y IP direction.  Like in this graph: <a href="http://www.markiteconomics.com/images/MarkitEurozone.gif" rel="nofollow">http://www.markiteconomics.com/images/MarkitEurozone.gif</a></p>
<p>Anyway, let&#8217;s wait for a couple of weeks for IP figures to come out.  Although econometrics are fun!</p>
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		<title>By: AK</title>
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		<dc:creator>AK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 00:26:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fedia,

PMI refers to change compared to the previous month. The reason Feb was better than Jan, was presumably because in Jan many manufacturers simply extended their holidays instead of formally decreasing output.

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An indicator of the economic health of the manufacturing sector. The PMI index is based on five major indicators: new orders, inventory levels, production, supplier deliveries, and the employment environment.

Investopedia Says:
A PMI of more than 50 represents expansion of the manufacturing sector, compared to the previous month. A reading under 50 represents a contraction, while a reading at 50 indicates no change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fedia,</p>
<p>PMI refers to change compared to the previous month. The reason Feb was better than Jan, was presumably because in Jan many manufacturers simply extended their holidays instead of formally decreasing output.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>An indicator of the economic health of the manufacturing sector. The PMI index is based on five major indicators: new orders, inventory levels, production, supplier deliveries, and the employment environment.</p>
<p>Investopedia Says:<br />
A PMI of more than 50 represents expansion of the manufacturing sector, compared to the previous month. A reading under 50 represents a contraction, while a reading at 50 indicates no change.</p>
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