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	<title>Comments on: Review of &#8220;World made by Hand&#8221; (J. Kunstler)</title>
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	<description>Anatoly Karlin on Eurasia, geopolitics, and peak oil</description>
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		<title>By: Centennial Dentist</title>
		<link>http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/2009/04/10/notes-kunstler-fiction/#comment-2193</link>
		<dc:creator>Centennial Dentist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 05:49:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With so many corrupt people in the world, that 3rd scenario will always remain a dream.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With so many corrupt people in the world, that 3rd scenario will always remain a dream.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Winston</title>
		<link>http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/2009/04/10/notes-kunstler-fiction/#comment-982</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Winston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 15:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, you should not discount the &#039;third scenario&#039; - the potential for people to stop having babies, for business to realign to lower energy use and for the rest of the remaining fossil fuels to be used for making solar panels and windmills and for everything to carry on largely as it has... I can dream, can&#039;t I?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, you should not discount the &#8216;third scenario&#8217; &#8211; the potential for people to stop having babies, for business to realign to lower energy use and for the rest of the remaining fossil fuels to be used for making solar panels and windmills and for everything to carry on largely as it has&#8230; I can dream, can&#8217;t I?</p>
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		<title>By: AK</title>
		<link>http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/2009/04/10/notes-kunstler-fiction/#comment-977</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 22:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mark,

Sorry it took me so long to notice this comment. You&#039;re correct about the doomer fallacies, of course - I&#039;d imagine folks who spend so much time fantasizing about this on the Internet just indulge in escapist fantasies instead of doing more productive things that would actually help them survive. In particular many of them appear to be essentially loners, whereas it&#039;s well known that during collapse it is of the utmost importance to insert yourself into a community or circle with varied skills and connections.

Since I plan the book to be a &quot;future history&quot;, I&#039;m not really thinking of proposing any concrete solutions - except as allusions to ideas that were suggested during the course of the early part of the 21st C. I see the future as highly bifurcated - either technology will decisively overtake limits to growth and we will usher in something resembling paradise; or the limits prove unmanageable and there is a widespread die-off, as occurred cyclically since times immemorial. How this turns out is going to be the main theme of the book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mark,</p>
<p>Sorry it took me so long to notice this comment. You&#8217;re correct about the doomer fallacies, of course &#8211; I&#8217;d imagine folks who spend so much time fantasizing about this on the Internet just indulge in escapist fantasies instead of doing more productive things that would actually help them survive. In particular many of them appear to be essentially loners, whereas it&#8217;s well known that during collapse it is of the utmost importance to insert yourself into a community or circle with varied skills and connections.</p>
<p>Since I plan the book to be a &#8220;future history&#8221;, I&#8217;m not really thinking of proposing any concrete solutions &#8211; except as allusions to ideas that were suggested during the course of the early part of the 21st C. I see the future as highly bifurcated &#8211; either technology will decisively overtake limits to growth and we will usher in something resembling paradise; or the limits prove unmanageable and there is a widespread die-off, as occurred cyclically since times immemorial. How this turns out is going to be the main theme of the book.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Winston</title>
		<link>http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/2009/04/10/notes-kunstler-fiction/#comment-894</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Winston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 17:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great review. You&#039;ve, unfortunately, convinced me to put off reading this one for now. I haunt enough doomer/survivalist message boards and blogs to get my fill of the people who yearn for a post-apocalyptic future where they can kill people for food, rape women and hang gays with impunity, and my well-read self personally sees the fallacies that this wishful thinking instills in its adherents.

A born-fiction-writer writing with a more learned, skeptical futuristic perspective might go a longer way in portraying realistic scenarios, and perhaps doing a better job of communicating the problems we face (and, dare I suggest, offering solutions that will save lives and result in improved conditions for individuals), rather than just delivering Doomer Porn, as your review suggests this work does.

Kunstler&#039;s own penchant for Doomer Porn (from what I&#039;ve read of his writing online) is one reason I&#039;ve yet to read any of his books all the way through.

&#039;Solutions&#039; should not be &quot;society collapses and 80% of humans die off and the remaining ones live in Arcadian paradise&quot;, but rather should allude to how the next few generations can live with less, including less children, as solutions to the energy/resource inputs dilemmas are sought, whilst avoiding catastrophic die-off and still caring something for the rights of the individual (something even Medieval cities boasted).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great review. You&#8217;ve, unfortunately, convinced me to put off reading this one for now. I haunt enough doomer/survivalist message boards and blogs to get my fill of the people who yearn for a post-apocalyptic future where they can kill people for food, rape women and hang gays with impunity, and my well-read self personally sees the fallacies that this wishful thinking instills in its adherents.</p>
<p>A born-fiction-writer writing with a more learned, skeptical futuristic perspective might go a longer way in portraying realistic scenarios, and perhaps doing a better job of communicating the problems we face (and, dare I suggest, offering solutions that will save lives and result in improved conditions for individuals), rather than just delivering Doomer Porn, as your review suggests this work does.</p>
<p>Kunstler&#8217;s own penchant for Doomer Porn (from what I&#8217;ve read of his writing online) is one reason I&#8217;ve yet to read any of his books all the way through.</p>
<p>&#8216;Solutions&#8217; should not be &#8220;society collapses and 80% of humans die off and the remaining ones live in Arcadian paradise&#8221;, but rather should allude to how the next few generations can live with less, including less children, as solutions to the energy/resource inputs dilemmas are sought, whilst avoiding catastrophic die-off and still caring something for the rights of the individual (something even Medieval cities boasted).</p>
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