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		<title>By: Russia Blog Roundup &#8211; 29 April</title>
		<link>http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/2009/04/11/twitter-terror-moldova/#comment-20213</link>
		<dc:creator>Russia Blog Roundup &#8211; 29 April</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jan 2012 09:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Twitter Terror: Unravelling the Unrest in Moldova. In depth analysis of the recent protests by Anatoly at Sublime Oblivion. So good it got picked up by JRL and others. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Twitter Terror: Unravelling the Unrest in Moldova. In depth analysis of the recent protests by Anatoly at Sublime Oblivion. So good it got picked up by JRL and others. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Flavia Ouimette</title>
		<link>http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/2009/04/11/twitter-terror-moldova/#comment-7835</link>
		<dc:creator>Flavia Ouimette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Oct 2010 20:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Official Russia &#124; Twitter Madness in Chisinau What Happened in Moldova?</title>
		<link>http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/2009/04/11/twitter-terror-moldova/#comment-916</link>
		<dc:creator>Official Russia &#124; Twitter Madness in Chisinau What Happened in Moldova?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 23:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] putting thousands of Moldovans in the streets. San Francisco-based Russian blogger Anatoly Karlin wrote: There are many ongoing discussions on the blogosphere about the role Twitter player and about how [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Emil</title>
		<link>http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/2009/04/11/twitter-terror-moldova/#comment-904</link>
		<dc:creator>Emil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 12:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;still, soccer fans do their terror where no-one much cares about them&quot; 

There is more riot police at soccer games ... you don&#039;t send trainees to manage a crowd, you send police with crowd control training: the infants that were sent to &quot;protect&quot; the official buildings threw gas grenades _in_ the crowd, not _in front_ of the crowd :(  ... if you were curious and looked at the rest of the posts in the blog I pointed you to, you would have seen the crown talking, giving water, taking pictures in front of the &quot;testudo&quot; manned by the children from some police highschool, then a gas grenade goes off _in the middle of the crowd_. 

There was no &quot;revolution&quot; in Kishinev, only crass incompetence on both sides ... I prefer to blame incompetence and stupidity instead of inventing conspiracy theories that another state organized the &quot;revolution&quot; or &quot;the authorities organized the provocation&quot;.

In all the countries of the former Communist bloc there are &quot;military high-schools&quot; for boys between 14 and 18: upon graduation these boys are supposed to join the army as professionals and either go to some university level education sponsored by the army or become NCOs after some more training. These high-school students were sent to keep in check 10000 people bothered by irregularities in the elections! Hell, the US army panicked and began shooting in Faluja under similar circumstances, what do you expect from children?

On the side of the opposition there was the same incompetence: when you improvise a march you also improvise security teams to take care of the troublemakers. In Kishinev the organizers, those that called people in the square, did not get involved because they did not expect get such a strong response, which is exactly what the &quot;photogenic figurehead&quot; says. If that was a coup they would have headed straight for the TV station, not the Parliament ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;still, soccer fans do their terror where no-one much cares about them&#8221; </p>
<p>There is more riot police at soccer games &#8230; you don&#8217;t send trainees to manage a crowd, you send police with crowd control training: the infants that were sent to &#8220;protect&#8221; the official buildings threw gas grenades _in_ the crowd, not _in front_ of the crowd <img src='http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' />   &#8230; if you were curious and looked at the rest of the posts in the blog I pointed you to, you would have seen the crown talking, giving water, taking pictures in front of the &#8220;testudo&#8221; manned by the children from some police highschool, then a gas grenade goes off _in the middle of the crowd_. </p>
<p>There was no &#8220;revolution&#8221; in Kishinev, only crass incompetence on both sides &#8230; I prefer to blame incompetence and stupidity instead of inventing conspiracy theories that another state organized the &#8220;revolution&#8221; or &#8220;the authorities organized the provocation&#8221;.</p>
<p>In all the countries of the former Communist bloc there are &#8220;military high-schools&#8221; for boys between 14 and 18: upon graduation these boys are supposed to join the army as professionals and either go to some university level education sponsored by the army or become NCOs after some more training. These high-school students were sent to keep in check 10000 people bothered by irregularities in the elections! Hell, the US army panicked and began shooting in Faluja under similar circumstances, what do you expect from children?</p>
<p>On the side of the opposition there was the same incompetence: when you improvise a march you also improvise security teams to take care of the troublemakers. In Kishinev the organizers, those that called people in the square, did not get involved because they did not expect get such a strong response, which is exactly what the &#8220;photogenic figurehead&#8221; says. If that was a coup they would have headed straight for the TV station, not the Parliament &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: AK</title>
		<link>http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/2009/04/11/twitter-terror-moldova/#comment-898</link>
		<dc:creator>AK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 22:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>abc,

I can&#039;t put all my weight on one interpretation. Some people have substantially different accounts of what happened - should I just toss them out of the window? I am certainly not calling you a liar, but please consider that many, many observers there did interpret it as run of the mill nationalist hooliganism, and that both your and their viewpoints do not necessarily have to be mutually exclusive.

PS. Where did I say it was sponsored by the West? I merely pointed out that some of the key organizers have &quot;interesting&quot; links to Western democracy-promotion organizations or Romanian nationalist organizations, readers are free to interpret this as they will.</description>
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<p>I can&#8217;t put all my weight on one interpretation. Some people have substantially different accounts of what happened &#8211; should I just toss them out of the window? I am certainly not calling you a liar, but please consider that many, many observers there did interpret it as run of the mill nationalist hooliganism, and that both your and their viewpoints do not necessarily have to be mutually exclusive.</p>
<p>PS. Where did I say it was sponsored by the West? I merely pointed out that some of the key organizers have &#8220;interesting&#8221; links to Western democracy-promotion organizations or Romanian nationalist organizations, readers are free to interpret this as they will.</p>
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		<title>By: abc</title>
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		<dc:creator>abc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 22:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah right, hooliganism, i want to see how 25 policemen can stop a 20000 crowd, hooliganism... pff, i&#039;ve been over there when this happened and to my regret you are researching in the wrong direction, everybody has his good and bad sides, but financing.. please... they have had the same financing since the foundation and now you telling me that this is sponsored by the west, if you were right in your assumptions then the west wouldn&#039;t have approved the elections and bla bla bla. I really like the disinformation, sounds like the soviet interpretation of the stalin period! THE USSR IS THE GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD! Ever wonder why it&#039;s the young people and the people abroad that rioted? no? Let me see, maybe internet? Internet is the one thing nobody can decently control, so it&#039;s the only way to find out real facts, make your own conclusions. People getting beaten and killed by policemen? Oh yeah, that never happened in the USSR, right? Don&#039;t worry, people over here started to find out information not from the media holding detained by the communist party, but from other people, so sooner or later this will have a tragic ending for this party, either life sentence or death by other than humane methods, to remind them of what they did. Think what you want, but there are way too many facts about the leading party&#039;s involvement in this:
1.Policemen breaking down rocks in the back of the presidency(to the fact it was a wall surrounding the power station, there was nowhere to get a car even close, not like &quot;make way for cars to pass&quot; as stated by the IA)
2. Minimum 120 policemen eating flower seeds behind the parliament while the presidency was being destroyed
3. To access the roof of the parliament/presidency you need 1 elevator key and 3 steel door keys to reach the top, there are 3 sets of keys which are held by communist party deputes
4. The parliament building started to burn after most left and even like that, it took the IA about 2 hours to even bring 1 fireman truck over there.(&quot;they had no access&quot; strangely all roads except the central avenue were managed by policemen)
I am too tired of stating this, though, why bother, it&#039;s pretty obvious, too bad you don&#039;t understand, either from your beliefs or your incapacity to read between the lines</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah right, hooliganism, i want to see how 25 policemen can stop a 20000 crowd, hooliganism&#8230; pff, i&#8217;ve been over there when this happened and to my regret you are researching in the wrong direction, everybody has his good and bad sides, but financing.. please&#8230; they have had the same financing since the foundation and now you telling me that this is sponsored by the west, if you were right in your assumptions then the west wouldn&#8217;t have approved the elections and bla bla bla. I really like the disinformation, sounds like the soviet interpretation of the stalin period! THE USSR IS THE GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD! Ever wonder why it&#8217;s the young people and the people abroad that rioted? no? Let me see, maybe internet? Internet is the one thing nobody can decently control, so it&#8217;s the only way to find out real facts, make your own conclusions. People getting beaten and killed by policemen? Oh yeah, that never happened in the USSR, right? Don&#8217;t worry, people over here started to find out information not from the media holding detained by the communist party, but from other people, so sooner or later this will have a tragic ending for this party, either life sentence or death by other than humane methods, to remind them of what they did. Think what you want, but there are way too many facts about the leading party&#8217;s involvement in this:<br />
1.Policemen breaking down rocks in the back of the presidency(to the fact it was a wall surrounding the power station, there was nowhere to get a car even close, not like &#8220;make way for cars to pass&#8221; as stated by the IA)<br />
2. Minimum 120 policemen eating flower seeds behind the parliament while the presidency was being destroyed<br />
3. To access the roof of the parliament/presidency you need 1 elevator key and 3 steel door keys to reach the top, there are 3 sets of keys which are held by communist party deputes<br />
4. The parliament building started to burn after most left and even like that, it took the IA about 2 hours to even bring 1 fireman truck over there.(&#8220;they had no access&#8221; strangely all roads except the central avenue were managed by policemen)<br />
I am too tired of stating this, though, why bother, it&#8217;s pretty obvious, too bad you don&#8217;t understand, either from your beliefs or your incapacity to read between the lines</p>
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		<title>By: AK</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 21:49:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the interesting account, Emil. So indeed it was just regular hooliganism - still, soccer fans do their terror where no-one much cares about them, and those rioters actually intruded on a center of political power...so I think there&#039;s quite a significant difference there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the interesting account, Emil. So indeed it was just regular hooliganism &#8211; still, soccer fans do their terror where no-one much cares about them, and those rioters actually intruded on a center of political power&#8230;so I think there&#8217;s quite a significant difference there.</p>
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		<title>By: Emil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 11:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;His thesis is that education in Moldova degraded since the USSR, especially in the countryside. They discontinued teaching Russian ... &quot;

Teaching Russian did not stop, and education degraded (or rather changed emphasis away from erudite culture) everywhere in the Eastern block.

The explanation for the excesses in Moldova is a lot simpler: it was not the regular police that was sent to manage the protesters, but _very young trainees_. They got scared, threw a couple of gas grenades, took the bats out and banged a couple of heads, then were pushed back and scattered and the young people on the other side of the shields consumed the adrenaline rush by breaking windows. While all these were taking place the regular riot police was in the barracks and went into action only to arrest random people in the city when everything had already cooled down.

&quot;Twitter terror&quot; ? Soccer fans do more terror in more respectable countries, except in Kishinev the trouble began with accidental provocation and continued in the absence of police (unless you call &#039;police&#039; the teenagers hiding under the testudo ).

Some pictures: http://benia.livejournal.com/249565.html

The &quot;policemen&quot; that started the trouble were very young, 15 to 19 years old, the same as those that finished it.

No &quot;phones&quot; to do the twittering ? Oh, boy ... it was more like a rock concert without gate guards, and now every entry level phone is web enabled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;His thesis is that education in Moldova degraded since the USSR, especially in the countryside. They discontinued teaching Russian &#8230; &#8221;</p>
<p>Teaching Russian did not stop, and education degraded (or rather changed emphasis away from erudite culture) everywhere in the Eastern block.</p>
<p>The explanation for the excesses in Moldova is a lot simpler: it was not the regular police that was sent to manage the protesters, but _very young trainees_. They got scared, threw a couple of gas grenades, took the bats out and banged a couple of heads, then were pushed back and scattered and the young people on the other side of the shields consumed the adrenaline rush by breaking windows. While all these were taking place the regular riot police was in the barracks and went into action only to arrest random people in the city when everything had already cooled down.</p>
<p>&#8220;Twitter terror&#8221; ? Soccer fans do more terror in more respectable countries, except in Kishinev the trouble began with accidental provocation and continued in the absence of police (unless you call &#8216;police&#8217; the teenagers hiding under the testudo ).</p>
<p>Some pictures: <a href="http://benia.livejournal.com/249565.html" rel="nofollow">http://benia.livejournal.com/249565.html</a></p>
<p>The &#8220;policemen&#8221; that started the trouble were very young, 15 to 19 years old, the same as those that finished it.</p>
<p>No &#8220;phones&#8221; to do the twittering ? Oh, boy &#8230; it was more like a rock concert without gate guards, and now every entry level phone is web enabled.</p>
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		<title>By: Global Voices in Italiano &#187; Moldova: &#8220;Farsi un&#8217;idea dell&#8217;accaduto&#8221;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Global Voices in Italiano &#187; Moldova: &#8220;Farsi un&#8217;idea dell&#8217;accaduto&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 04:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Global Voices Online &#187; Moldova: &#8220;Making Sense of Recent Events&#8221;</title>
		<link>http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/2009/04/11/twitter-terror-moldova/#comment-808</link>
		<dc:creator>Global Voices Online &#187; Moldova: &#8220;Making Sense of Recent Events&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 01:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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