Comments on: New Russia-Georgia War? http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/2009/08/04/new-russia-georgia-war/ Anatoly Karlin on Eurasia, geopolitics, and peak oil Wed, 08 Sep 2010 23:15:06 +0000 hourly 1 By: Mariana K. http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/2009/08/04/new-russia-georgia-war/#comment-4894 Mariana K. Tue, 20 Apr 2010 23:54:14 +0000 http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/?p=2193#comment-4894 Did the Georgians not enter Tskhinvali because they had received reports of illegal Russian movements towards Georgia? I believe it is very one sided to blame everything on Georgia when it is clear that both parties, even South Ossetia, acted against the norms of International law. Did the Georgians not enter Tskhinvali because they had received reports of illegal Russian movements towards Georgia? I believe it is very one sided to blame everything on Georgia when it is clear that both parties, even South Ossetia, acted against the norms of International law.

]]> By: Shifting Winds | Sublime Oblivion http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/2009/08/04/new-russia-georgia-war/#comment-2063 Shifting Winds | Sublime Oblivion Sun, 20 Sep 2009 02:37:39 +0000 http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/?p=2193#comment-2063 [...] the Russian resurgence (may be manifested in renewed expansionism in the post-Soviet space – Georgia, Crimea and the Baltics are potential flashpoints – and the race of countries like Germany, [...] [...] the Russian resurgence (may be manifested in renewed expansionism in the post-Soviet space – Georgia, Crimea and the Baltics are potential flashpoints – and the race of countries like Germany, [...]

]]> By: Michael Averko http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/2009/08/04/new-russia-georgia-war/#comment-1952 Michael Averko Thu, 03 Sep 2009 20:12:39 +0000 http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/?p=2193#comment-1952 Erm why? Erm why?

]]> By: AK http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/2009/08/04/new-russia-georgia-war/#comment-1950 AK Thu, 03 Sep 2009 16:13:49 +0000 http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/?p=2193#comment-1950 Erm, no, they don't. Erm, no, they don’t.

]]> By: Michael Averko http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/2009/08/04/new-russia-georgia-war/#comment-1945 Michael Averko Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:34:18 +0000 http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/?p=2193#comment-1945 AK's comments relate to the thought that the coverage would be noticeably better if the commentariot structure implemented a more effective quality control. AK’s comments relate to the thought that the coverage would be noticeably better if the commentariot structure implemented a more effective quality control.

]]> By: AK http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/2009/08/04/new-russia-georgia-war/#comment-1943 AK Thu, 03 Sep 2009 08:27:13 +0000 http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/?p=2193#comment-1943 Well, I guess 10 out of the 89 people voting in this poll, not to mention Pavel Felgenhauer and the Chechen mujahideen, were in fact wrong. Thanks for participating, anyway - I have a feeling future years will be just as interesting. Well, I guess 10 out of the 89 people voting in this poll, not to mention Pavel Felgenhauer and the Chechen mujahideen, were in fact wrong. Thanks for participating, anyway – I have a feeling future years will be just as interesting.

]]> By: Perils of Water | Sublime Oblivion http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/2009/08/04/new-russia-georgia-war/#comment-1864 Perils of Water | Sublime Oblivion Sun, 23 Aug 2009 05:12:26 +0000 http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/?p=2193#comment-1864 [...] said they’re not exactly the most reliable of sources (they were wrong in their prediction that Russia would invade Georgia in mid-August 2008) and there could be genuine infrastructural reasons for the dam failure, such as the well-known [...] [...] said they’re not exactly the most reliable of sources (they were wrong in their prediction that Russia would invade Georgia in mid-August 2008) and there could be genuine infrastructural reasons for the dam failure, such as the well-known [...]

]]> By: Leos Tomicek http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/2009/08/04/new-russia-georgia-war/#comment-1822 Leos Tomicek Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:39:17 +0000 http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/?p=2193#comment-1822 Tbilisi was not convinced about Washington's support for no reason, Washington did support or at least kept a blind eye on the operation. Tbilisi was not convinced about Washington’s support for no reason, Washington did support or at least kept a blind eye on the operation.

]]> By: Patrick Armstrong http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/2009/08/04/new-russia-georgia-war/#comment-1820 Patrick Armstrong Tue, 11 Aug 2009 12:28:40 +0000 http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/?p=2193#comment-1820 Salome Zurabishvili -- very interesting and informed person. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salome_Zourabichvili What a lot of these discussions miss is the testimony of Georgians who used to be in the govt and know Saakashvili well. For example former Defence Minister Okruashvili and former Ambassador to Russia Kitsmarishvili have both said 1. it was always intended to use force 2. Tbilisi was ready earlier in the year to attack but held off 3. Tbilisi was convinced that Washington supported it. Check my hyperlinks at http://www.russiaotherpointsofview.com/2009/08/russian-federation-weekly-sitrep.html#more for sources Salome Zurabishvili — very interesting and informed person.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salome_Zourabichvili

What a lot of these discussions miss is the testimony of Georgians who used to be in the govt and know Saakashvili well.
For example former Defence Minister Okruashvili and former Ambassador to Russia Kitsmarishvili have both said
1. it was always intended to use force
2. Tbilisi was ready earlier in the year to attack but held off
3. Tbilisi was convinced that Washington supported it.

Check my hyperlinks at
http://www.russiaotherpointsofview.com/2009/08/russian-federation-weekly-sitrep.html#more
for sources

]]> By: AK http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/2009/08/04/new-russia-georgia-war/#comment-1816 AK Tue, 11 Aug 2009 05:57:51 +0000 http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/?p=2193#comment-1816 Let me be the devil's / Felgenhauer's advocate here... Nuclear-tipped cruise missile can be launched from the two subs in a decapitation strike against the US. No Obama = no <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_football" rel="nofollow">nuclear football</a> = slowed US retaliation, especially since it would be complemented by destruction of key C4 nodes. Immediately afterwards, US observation satellites are killed or blinded (or not - I don't know if that is technically possible) and MIRVed RS-18 "Satan" missiles are launched against the silo fields in North Dakota, submarine bases, and airbases with B-2 bombers. Russia's other SLBMs and attack subs leave port and urban populations are forcibly dispersed into the countryside. They order the US to refrain from retaliating with any surviving nuclear assets on pain of an annihilating countervalue strike by Russian SLBMs and bombers. (Of course this scenario is wholly unrealistic if the US possesses a classified fail-deadly deterrent, though then again as Dr. Strangelove rightly pointed out, keeping it secret defeats its whole purpose). Let me be the devil’s / Felgenhauer’s advocate here…

Nuclear-tipped cruise missile can be launched from the two subs in a decapitation strike against the US. No Obama = no nuclear football = slowed US retaliation, especially since it would be complemented by destruction of key C4 nodes. Immediately afterwards, US observation satellites are killed or blinded (or not – I don’t know if that is technically possible) and MIRVed RS-18 “Satan” missiles are launched against the silo fields in North Dakota, submarine bases, and airbases with B-2 bombers. Russia’s other SLBMs and attack subs leave port and urban populations are forcibly dispersed into the countryside. They order the US to refrain from retaliating with any surviving nuclear assets on pain of an annihilating countervalue strike by Russian SLBMs and bombers. (Of course this scenario is wholly unrealistic if the US possesses a classified fail-deadly deterrent, though then again as Dr. Strangelove rightly pointed out, keeping it secret defeats its whole purpose).

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