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	<description>Anatoly Karlin on Eurasia, geopolitics, and peak oil</description>
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		<title>By: Tomas Addison</title>
		<link>http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/2009/08/10/one-nation-under-cctv/#comment-15791</link>
		<dc:creator>Tomas Addison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Aug 2011 01:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Parts of the United States look like a third world country. US debt is much higher then Britain, second - the Euro is collapsing, and only Germany and France are actually supporting it. I would say that Britain will be OK and we can always import power from France. Britain will be fine and will come out in the next 10 years to still be in the top three richest European countries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Parts of the United States look like a third world country. US debt is much higher then Britain, second &#8211; the Euro is collapsing, and only Germany and France are actually supporting it. I would say that Britain will be OK and we can always import power from France. Britain will be fine and will come out in the next 10 years to still be in the top three richest European countries.</p>
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		<title>By: Review of &#8220;Global Catastrophes and Trends&#8221; (V. Smil) &#124; Sublime Oblivion</title>
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		<dc:creator>Review of &#8220;Global Catastrophes and Trends&#8221; (V. Smil) &#124; Sublime Oblivion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 09:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] unemployment and bureaucracy, and are less technologically dynamic than Japan or the US. Both Britain and Spain face separatist challenges and are economic basketcases. France is over-regulated [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Gregor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gregor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 12:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;The real problem with CCTV is they don’t serve the security needs&#039;

Rather disagree with you there Leos. 1) I do not think the state should have the right to noop on people, even if I trusted the British political establishment but 2) I do not trust our establishment. Our politicians and journalists all agree about practically everything and Britiain is essentially a dictatorship with ballot boxes 3) Why do these politicians want to scrutinise people 4) As you say, at present the CCTV system is useless. So why spend so much money on it? Are they testing the waters? Seeing if people will disagree? Paving the way for something else 4) If the worst case scenario comes up, then Britain may install an even worse government. And they may have resources that no other dictatorship has ever had. As well as an astoundingly apathetic population.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;The real problem with CCTV is they don’t serve the security needs&#8217;</p>
<p>Rather disagree with you there Leos. 1) I do not think the state should have the right to noop on people, even if I trusted the British political establishment but 2) I do not trust our establishment. Our politicians and journalists all agree about practically everything and Britiain is essentially a dictatorship with ballot boxes 3) Why do these politicians want to scrutinise people 4) As you say, at present the CCTV system is useless. So why spend so much money on it? Are they testing the waters? Seeing if people will disagree? Paving the way for something else 4) If the worst case scenario comes up, then Britain may install an even worse government. And they may have resources that no other dictatorship has ever had. As well as an astoundingly apathetic population.</p>
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		<title>By: Gregor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gregor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 12:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anatoly
Just a quick message from a friend&#039;s computer. Noticed you  wrote: 
&#039;As the government steps up its repressive and unpopular policies, resulting in ever more disillusionment and resentment&#039;

The strange thing is, this is not really the case. Certainly Brown is deeply unpopular, but this is nothing to do with his policies (which are practically identical to Camerons) but because he does not fit in with the media obsessed Britain. 

As for Canada, there is a lot that is appealing about it as a country, but I disliked their decision to ban George Galloway. I&#039;m no fan of the guy, but to say someone is not allowed in the country because of their poilitical views is really creepy. Especially when the word &#039;terrorism&#039;; is brought up to bar an egocentric big-mouth. I know the same happens in Britain, but what&#039;s the point of leaving the fire-pan? 

Of course, by the time I got Canadian citizenship, Obama might have turned the USA into the People&#039;s Republic of America ;-) (according to the right wingers on the internet anyway).

&#039;Black Mass&#039; is a far more interesting book than False Dawn. Gray is himself a classical liberal, but his comments on how small state liberalism has become a statist system is very interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anatoly<br />
Just a quick message from a friend&#8217;s computer. Noticed you  wrote:<br />
&#8216;As the government steps up its repressive and unpopular policies, resulting in ever more disillusionment and resentment&#8217;</p>
<p>The strange thing is, this is not really the case. Certainly Brown is deeply unpopular, but this is nothing to do with his policies (which are practically identical to Camerons) but because he does not fit in with the media obsessed Britain. </p>
<p>As for Canada, there is a lot that is appealing about it as a country, but I disliked their decision to ban George Galloway. I&#8217;m no fan of the guy, but to say someone is not allowed in the country because of their poilitical views is really creepy. Especially when the word &#8216;terrorism&#8217;; is brought up to bar an egocentric big-mouth. I know the same happens in Britain, but what&#8217;s the point of leaving the fire-pan? </p>
<p>Of course, by the time I got Canadian citizenship, Obama might have turned the USA into the People&#8217;s Republic of America <img src='http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  (according to the right wingers on the internet anyway).</p>
<p>&#8216;Black Mass&#8217; is a far more interesting book than False Dawn. Gray is himself a classical liberal, but his comments on how small state liberalism has become a statist system is very interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: AK</title>
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		<dc:creator>AK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 01:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Never heard of it. According the Wiki article on it, I wouldn&#039;t care much for it because unlike Peter, I&#039;m not a social conservative on most issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never heard of it. According the Wiki article on it, I wouldn&#8217;t care much for it because unlike Peter, I&#8217;m not a social conservative on most issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Vic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 12:21:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like Anatoly has been reading The Abolition of Britain...that book by Peter Hitchens (brother of Christopher) needs a post-Blair update.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like Anatoly has been reading The Abolition of Britain&#8230;that book by Peter Hitchens (brother of Christopher) needs a post-Blair update.</p>
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		<title>By: AK</title>
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		<dc:creator>AK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 06:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS. Re the title. Can&#039;t really claim credit for it, since &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-559547/Graffiti-artist-Banksy-pulls-audacious-stunt-date--despite-watched-CCTV.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;One Nation under CCTV was the artist Banksy&#039;s idea&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS. Re the title. Can&#8217;t really claim credit for it, since <a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-559547/Graffiti-artist-Banksy-pulls-audacious-stunt-date--despite-watched-CCTV.html" rel="nofollow">One Nation under CCTV was the artist Banksy&#8217;s idea</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: AK</title>
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		<dc:creator>AK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 05:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fortunately, most models predict that the turnoff will be slow enough as to allow the warming to overtake the cooling, and James Lovelock believes Britain will be prime real estate in a hotter world as subtropics dry up. The bad side is that the Thames Valley will be inundated, but overall global warming is one of the few things that will not impact Britain as badly as the rest of the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fortunately, most models predict that the turnoff will be slow enough as to allow the warming to overtake the cooling, and James Lovelock believes Britain will be prime real estate in a hotter world as subtropics dry up. The bad side is that the Thames Valley will be inundated, but overall global warming is one of the few things that will not impact Britain as badly as the rest of the world.</p>
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		<title>By: AK</title>
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		<dc:creator>AK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 05:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. The 2-year phD is a new &quot;innovation&quot; I&#039;ve heard of from a friend in academia there. I&#039;ll see if I could confirm that. Longer is not necessarily better, but there&#039;s no way you can get a traditional phD level of proficiency in a subject after 2 years of study unless you&#039;re a genius or have no life, and neither condition holds even for the majority of graduate students.

2. Agreed on Scotland, IIRC you can take 3 subjects in your first year and choose one to specialize in during the second year. It&#039;s not as good / free as the typical US system, but far better than in England where if you choose a subject you come to hate you get screwed (and in any case acquire a narrow specialization).

3. If you&#039;re talking of universities like Cambridge or Edinburgh, then yes. Yet as you go into middle-tier unis you start hearing horror stories... 

An anecdote. Academic acquaintance there got the task of teaching a theory-heavy course on calculus. The pre-course aptitude test he gave his students showed a majority of them incapable of basic arithmetic. How they got through the earlier courses I leave to your imaginations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. The 2-year phD is a new &#8220;innovation&#8221; I&#8217;ve heard of from a friend in academia there. I&#8217;ll see if I could confirm that. Longer is not necessarily better, but there&#8217;s no way you can get a traditional phD level of proficiency in a subject after 2 years of study unless you&#8217;re a genius or have no life, and neither condition holds even for the majority of graduate students.</p>
<p>2. Agreed on Scotland, IIRC you can take 3 subjects in your first year and choose one to specialize in during the second year. It&#8217;s not as good / free as the typical US system, but far better than in England where if you choose a subject you come to hate you get screwed (and in any case acquire a narrow specialization).</p>
<p>3. If you&#8217;re talking of universities like Cambridge or Edinburgh, then yes. Yet as you go into middle-tier unis you start hearing horror stories&#8230; </p>
<p>An anecdote. Academic acquaintance there got the task of teaching a theory-heavy course on calculus. The pre-course aptitude test he gave his students showed a majority of them incapable of basic arithmetic. How they got through the earlier courses I leave to your imaginations.</p>
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		<title>By: AK</title>
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		<dc:creator>AK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 05:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gregor, I think the best country for you would be Canada - it has a strong Orthodox community (granted, mostly Ukrainian, but there are also around 250k Greeks), one of the brightest prospects amongst the developed world, a very rational immigration system, and it would be easier to move to the US should you or your children become the super-capitalist-enterprising type. ;)

Re-John Gray. Haven&#039;t read Black Mass, but I have read False Dawn. Back then I was more under the influence of the neoliberalism, so it didn&#039;t make a big impression, though recently the basic truths of what he is saying are becoming increasingly evident.

Re-that photo. Scoffing? It&#039;s an excellent metaphor for modern Britain. Substitution of the eyes of God (i.e. basic pre-capitalist social values) for the eyes of the state (when everything can be bought, including morality, then the state must become more coercive to keep an increasing artificial society cemented together - hence you have an emerging surveillance police state).

Re-France &amp; Germany. France has pretty big social problems with its Muslims, who are locked out of the labor market by the combination of poor educations, white-French chauvinism and strict employment laws. Though overall I agree the situation there is much better than in the UK.

Re-the future. Probably economic collapse, a faux-conservative reaction, and after that the return and full consolidation of authoritarian, inegalitarian socialism. That would be my guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gregor, I think the best country for you would be Canada &#8211; it has a strong Orthodox community (granted, mostly Ukrainian, but there are also around 250k Greeks), one of the brightest prospects amongst the developed world, a very rational immigration system, and it would be easier to move to the US should you or your children become the super-capitalist-enterprising type. <img src='http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Re-John Gray. Haven&#8217;t read Black Mass, but I have read False Dawn. Back then I was more under the influence of the neoliberalism, so it didn&#8217;t make a big impression, though recently the basic truths of what he is saying are becoming increasingly evident.</p>
<p>Re-that photo. Scoffing? It&#8217;s an excellent metaphor for modern Britain. Substitution of the eyes of God (i.e. basic pre-capitalist social values) for the eyes of the state (when everything can be bought, including morality, then the state must become more coercive to keep an increasing artificial society cemented together &#8211; hence you have an emerging surveillance police state).</p>
<p>Re-France &#038; Germany. France has pretty big social problems with its Muslims, who are locked out of the labor market by the combination of poor educations, white-French chauvinism and strict employment laws. Though overall I agree the situation there is much better than in the UK.</p>
<p>Re-the future. Probably economic collapse, a faux-conservative reaction, and after that the return and full consolidation of authoritarian, inegalitarian socialism. That would be my guess.</p>
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