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		<description><![CDATA[Next in our line of Watching the Russia Watchers interviews is Mark Chapman, the fiery Canadian sailor who&#8217;s been blazing a path of destruction through the fetid Russophobe ranks since July 2010. That was when he first set up The Kremlin Stooge, &#8230; <a class="more-link" href="http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/2011/06/22/interview-kremlin-stooge/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-6390" src="http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/mark-chapman-kremlin-stooge.jpg" alt="" width="158" height="201" />Next in our line of <a href="http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/2010/07/28/russia-watchers-in-their-own-words/">Watching the Russia Watchers</a> interviews is Mark Chapman, the fiery Canadian sailor who&#8217;s been blazing a path of destruction through the fetid <a href="http://marknesop.wordpress.com/russophobia/">Russophobe</a> ranks since July 2010. That was when he first set up <strong><a href="http://marknesop.wordpress.com/">The Kremlin Stooge</a></strong>, after being blocked from La Russophobe, who couldn&#8217;t withstand his powerful arguments without resorting to Stalinist tactics. The blog&#8217;s name, as he explains below, was bestowed by one of LR&#8217;s commentators (&#8220;Soviet Goon Boy&#8221; was <a href="http://marknesop.wordpress.com/about/">considered</a>, but rejected). Since then, he has expanded his coverage well beyond exposing La Russophobe and now goes from strength to strength: humiliating the self-appointed experts, drawing <a href="http://marknesop.wordpress.com/2010/09/18/a-short-overview-of-russian-political-discourse/">guest</a> <a href="http://marknesop.wordpress.com/2010/10/03/stalin-in-the-eye-of-the-russian-beholder/">posts</a>, being <a href="http://www.inosmi.ru/kremlin_stooge/">regularly translated</a> by InoSMI, <a href="http://larussophobe.wordpress.com/2011/04/21/editorial-kremlin-stooge-the-very-bottom-of-the-fetid-russophile-barrel/">praised by</a> La Russophobe, and making first place in S/O&#8217;s own list of the <a href="http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/2011/04/15/top-10-russia-blogs-in-2011/">Top 10 Russia blogs in 2011</a>. Without any further ado, I present you Mark Chapman the Kremlin Stooge, the Rambo of the Russophile blogosphere!</p>
<h3>The Kremlin Stooge: In His Own Words&#8230;</h3>
<p><strong>Why did you start blogging about Russia?</strong></p>
<p>As I’ve mentioned before in various exchanges with commenters, I was invited – hell, the whole world has been invited – to start my own blog by La Russophobe. Most have noticed “she” doesn’t care for dissent or for having her own blog rules used to regulate her conduct, and a common response is “why don’t you go and start your own blog, and see who reads it”. So I did. Of course, the invitation is based on the presupposition that it will be a grim failure which will teach you what a useless worm you really are.</p>
<p>I stumbled upon the La Russophobe blog during a search for early souvenirs of the Olympic Games in Sochi – I was looking for a backpack as a present for my wife. La Russophobe ran <a href="http://larussophobe.wordpress.com/2010/02/28/editorial-annals-of-the-sochi-fiasco/">a post</a> mocking the Russian souvenirs at the Olympics then in progress in Vancouver, because they were allegedly tacky and cheap. An exchange took place between us, and eventually I was banned from commenting. I invented a new ID – snooty Englishman Francis Smyth-Beresford (so as to have the initials FSB, and it was amazing how quickly otherwise-clodlike Ukrainian/Australian La Russophobe devotee Bohdan caught on). I tried hard to keep the criticism subtle, but eventually I was banned under that name as well. After that, I started The Kremlin Stooge, adopting the name from one of Bohdan’s favourite insults.</p>
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<p>Prior to the initial accidental visit to La Russophobe, I was quite honestly unaware of that brand of barking mad Russophobia. I understood, of course, that bias against Russia existed, but there’s some degree of bias against almost everybody, and I rationalized that some had good reasons to dislike Russia while others just thought they did. But there’s a gulf of difference between reasoned disapproval and slobbering hate. I enjoyed challenging that hate, and exchanges with commenters who took a more reasoned approach while backing up their opinions with solid references taught me a great deal. Starting a blog seemed enormously daunting because I’m not that computer-savvy. However, for anyone who’s thinking it over, it’s dead easy and I encourage you not to wait if that’s what’s holding you back.</p>
<p><strong>What were your best and worst blogging experiences so far?</strong></p>
<p><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-6404" src="http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/saakashvili-eating-tie1-300x216.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="216" />The best was probably the first time <a href="http://www.inosmi.ru/caucasus/20100820/162312889.html">a post was picked up by</a> inoSMI; it was one I had done on Georgia and Saakashvili, about 6 weeks after I started the blog. I thought something had gone wrong with my stats counter, because I got more hits in one day than I’d accumulated to that time in total, I think – 1,146 where my total for all of July, the month I started, was only a pitiful 854. Also great is any time I get a comment from one of the blogging greats I admire, like Eugene Ivanov, Leos Tomicek, yourself, Sean Guillory or Kevin Rothrock.</p>
<p>The worst is whenever I get my ass handed to me because I failed to research something properly. A good example was the post, “<a href="http://marknesop.wordpress.com/2010/11/03/are-slavs-stupid/">Are Slavs Stupid</a>?” At the time I’d had a running argument going for some time with a commenter who appeared to be a borderline white supremacist, and we’d gone the rounds of blacks being criminals because they were black to Mexicans being lazy because they were Mexicans, to Slavic peoples being genetically less intelligent because of their nationality. I kept pecking away at the post until quite late, and hit upon some killer references that totally vaporized his arguments by demonstrating that Estonians had an extremely high incidence of apparently uniform academic excellence. Unfortunately, I didn’t take the crucial step of ensuring Estonians were Slavs – which, by and large, they’re not. I just assumed they were. I was too tired to take the extra 5 minutes it would have required to check my main argument, and as a direct result the whole thing fell apart. The larger point that Slavs are no stupider than any other group and that research supporting “genetic intelligence” has been broadly discredited was lost in the triumphant mockery, which of course I richly deserved for my laziness. I’d like to say it taught me a lesson, but still every now and then a dodgy bit of research or some shortcutting has resulted in me getting my legs kicked out from under me. Live and learn, they say.</p>
<p><strong>What are the best blogs about Russia? What are the worst?</strong></p>
<p>That’s hard to answer, because there are so many good ones and not really any bad ones. All serve a purpose. I really like “Russia: Other Points of View”, especially those entries contributed by Patrick Armstrong – the blog strikes just the right tone of reproachful correction of errors or misconceptions without a lot of screeching histrionics. But it’s dull because there are hardly ever any comments or argument, and I’d love to learn from a really good bare-knuckle fight at that elevated level of discourse. “Truth and Beauty” is another really good one. I did <a href="http://marknesop.wordpress.com/2011/06/17/rating-the-russia-watchers-take-ii/">a review of the Russia blogs</a> right after we rolled through 100,000, but it left out all the brilliant ones I haven’t discovered yet. Mark Galeotti’s, “In Moscow’s Shadows” has had some fascinating discussion of Russian legal and constitutional reform and Caucasian politics, but it’s not updated very often and the comment format is awkward.</p>
<p>Even blogs like La Russophobe serve a purpose – they’re really funny, not only because of the over-the-top exaggeration, fabrication and deliberate attempts to mischaracterize actual reports, but because of the breathless arrogance, swollen ego and holier-than-thou self-stylings of its author or authors. It used to motivate me to argue, but now it more often makes me laugh on the rare occasions I read it, and I’ve kind of gotten away from using it for inspiration. I remember in his interview AGT singled out Catherine Fitzpatrick as well, for generally long-winded blather, and there has been a good deal of speculation that she actually is La Russophobe. While her writing often runs to lengthy rants and she does seem to fall into that Soviet expat Russia-is-the-root-of-all-the-world’s-problems pigeonhole, she comes across as intelligent and well-educated, and you can sometimes reason with her a little (both of which argue against her being La Russophobe, if anyone cares). I don’t think those kind of blogs are responsible for too many attitude changes, so they’re mostly harmless.</p>
<p><strong>What is your favorite place in Russia? Is there anywhere you haven’t been yet, but would love to visit?</strong></p>
<p><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-6405" src="http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/vladivostok-300x198.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="198" />I’m not well-traveled in Russia at all, and have never been outside the Primorsky Krai. I love Vladivostok, and was greatly encouraged the last time I was there to see ongoing efforts to restore and properly maintain some of its old buildings, with their beautiful architectural detail. There are so very many places I’ve never been, but I tend to favour places with a lot of history and large areas where the “old city” is preserved. For that reason, I’m especially interested in St Petersburg. Although Moscow seems to me like a grey, anonymous city that could be anywhere, there are probably fabulous attractions there as well that I’d love to see. I enjoyed visiting a lot of small villages around the Primorsky region – usually just passing through &#8211; and would like to spend more time there as well. Generally, I’m less interested in going someplace I already know everything about, and more interested in discovering a place I know nothing about.</p>
<p><strong>If you could recommend one book about Russia, what would it be?</strong></p>
<p>“<em>The First Directorate: My 32 Years in Intelligence and Espionage Against the West</em>”, by Oleg Kalugin [<strong>AK</strong>: <em><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0312114265/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=subliobliv-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=217145&amp;creative=399373&amp;creativeASIN=0312114265">Click to buy</a></em>]. I imagine you were thinking more of a book that reveals the true Russian soul, or reflects a defining phase of the nation’s history. Doubtless such works exist, but I’m not an academic and I haven’t read them; besides, I’m not convinced my assessment of what constitutes the key to the Russian soul or a significant historical moment would have much value. Kalugin’s book was compelling because it revealed so much about the inner workings of the KGB, including how influential it was on all aspects of state policy. It was instructive in its substantiation that the best intelligence assets simply walk in off the street rather than being wooed by “honey traps” like you see in the movies, and that they are nearly always motivated by money. Kalugin was one of American spy John Walker’s handlers, and the most senior KGB operative to write about the organization he had been an influential part of. He also revealed that for many years they had a very highly-placed source in the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) Security Service (which eventually became our version of the American CIA, the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS)); something I never knew.</p>
<p>For what it’s worth, I asked my family – all Russians (my Father-in-Law, Mother-in-Law and wife) &#8211; the same question. Each got a pick, although it inspired much anguish and a comment from Sveta that it was like asking a mother of ten to choose her favourite child. They came up with Nikolai Gogol’s “<em>Taras Bulba</em>” , Leo Tolstoy’s “<em>Anna Karenina</em>”, and Tolstoy again with “<em>War and Peace</em>”. I’m not trying to cheat and recommend four books for a question that asked for just one, but to point out that the essential character of Russia means different things to different people.</p>
<p><strong>If you could invite three Russians, past or present, to a dinner party, who would they be? </strong></p>
<p>Vladimir Putin, Aleksandr Revva and  Alexander Solzhenitsyn. Mr. Putin because his leadership of Russia fascinates me, Aleksandr Revva in case the mood got too somber because everything he does and says is hilarious, and Alexander Solzhenitsyn in case I had to do the cooking myself. I learned from “<em>One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich</em>” that he’s not a fussy eater, and would likely make anything look tasty. Aleksandr Revva might not count, because he was born a Ukrainian, but he’s been a staple feature of Russian comedy for a long time.</p>
<p><strong>Do you think the average Russian lives better today than in 2000? What about 1988? Are they richer, freer or happier than before?</strong></p>
<p>All of those, I think, but I don’t have any firsthand knowledge and am basing that assessment simply on statistics. There will always be people who are dirt-poor no matter how good the economy becomes, because they don’t know how to manage their money and won’t ask for help. But the <em>opportunities</em> to be richer and freer are certainly present to a greater degree, as are those to be well-informed and connected.  The entire category of what constitutes the “average Russian” has changed since 1988.</p>
<p>Who knows what makes people happy? Russians are no different than anyone else in that respect, and some people everywhere are happy regardless of the conditions that define their lives. But I believe Russians feel much more self-determinant and in control of their own lives now. If that’s happiness, then yes.</p>
<p><strong>To what extent is there a difference between Putin and Medvedev, and who do you think offers the better vision for Russia’s future?</strong></p>
<p>Medvedev is a dreamer and Putin is a pragmatist. Medvedev seems out of his depth trying to actually run a country &#8211; it’s quite a bit different from running a company &#8211; and there seem to be too many variables for him to grasp, while Putin knows as much about running a country as anyone in Russia. Medvedev would be gobbled up in nothing flat without Putin behind him, while Putin demonstrably could survive quite well without Medvedev. For all of that, Medvedev has a better vision for Russia’s future, because he’s a dreamer and he wants things that will only come true – in the short term &#8211; in dreams. I don’t doubt he wants what’s best for Russia, but the opportunities for him to fall into a pit on the way are legion. Putin is considerably more a realist and his ideas for reform are generally more achievable as a consequence of his worldview. Together they make a pretty good team, and would be even better as Medvedev gains a little political experience and learns when saying nothing is better than saying something stupid.</p>
<p><strong>If you could advise the Russian government to do one thing it isn’t already doing, what would it be?</strong></p>
<p>National image management. Even though resistance is strong to any attempts by Russia to put itself in a positive light on…well, just about anything you care to name, it’s just a skill like any other, and you get out of it what you put into it. Look at Israel – legendary lobbying skills. The USA is very, very good at it as well. Russia, frankly, stinks out loud at it. Past time for a makeover.</p>
<p><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-6406" src="http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/putin-alina-kabaeva-300x227.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="227" />This came up awhile ago, in a couple of places. One was at Eugene Ivanov’s blog, where he proposed – half-jokingly – in the comments section of an excellent post on the odious Jackson-Vanik Amendment that Alina Kabaeva be deputized as the “new face” of United Russia. Of course she doesn’t have any real qualifications for the job except that she couldn’t possibly be as stupid as Sarah Palin is, she’s beautiful and has eye-magnetizing cleavage. But the implication that Russia needs to get away from arm-waving “Commie” stereotypes who are too easy to mock and move in the direction of suave, personable diplomats who have been groomed all their working lives for their assignments is spot-on.</p>
<p>Another was at Denise Martin’s blog, where we were discussing the late-50’s-era novel, “<em>The Ugly American</em>”. Although it was a work of fiction, it bore down fairly strongly on American foreign policy vis-à-vis Asia and the fictional nation featured was often said to mirror real-life South Vietnam; it was tremendously influential on JFK’s revamped and revitalized foreign policy, and instrumental to the creation of the Peace Corps. In the novel, American diplomats are clumsy, ignorant and uncaring, speak the native language poorly or not at all and are plainly uninterested in learning. Their Soviet (at the time) counterparts are sophisticated and urbane, firmly in touch with the culture and traditions of their hosts and speak the language like natives. Consequently, their influence is viewed in a much more positive light than that of the United States.</p>
<p>Take a memo, Russia. Stop staffing your diplomatic corps with bad copies of Boris and Natasha from “<em>The Rocky and Bullwinkle Show</em>” and start recruiting people foreigners will want to listen to.</p>
<h3>HARD Talk with The Kremlin Stooge</h3>
<p><strong>Now you often come off as a big Canadian patriot (in a good way), but you also respect Russia’s assertive foreign policy of recent years. But what happens should the two collide? They have conflicting claims in the Arctic, due to </strong><a href="http://www.dur.ac.uk/resources/ibru/arctic.pdf"><strong>overlapping</strong></a><strong> continental shelf extensions. In recent years, Ottawa has criticized Russia for planting flags at the North Pole and flying bombers near its airspace. Both countries are expanding their military forces in the High North. Whose claims are the most valid? Who is most to blame for the intemperate rhetoric? Is this just political grandstanding, or is there a risk of an escalating cold war?</strong></p>
<p>I don’t see any risk at all of it escalating beyond the decision of a UN Commission, if it even goes that far. After all, in accordance with the <a href="http://www.oceanlaw.org/downloads/arctic/Ilulissat_Declaration.pdf">Illulissat Declaration</a>, all nations with skin in the game are resolved to settle the issue by bilateral agreement. Russia’s current claims do not extend into the existing coastal boundaries (EEZ’s) of any Arctic coastal claimant, although opinions differ on overlapping claims beyond those, as you say. From what I can see, although I certainly am not a geologist, the Lomonosov Ridge is just as likely to originate on the Canadian side as the Russian side, and that’s the subject of intense research, but it’s like trying to determine which end of the Golden Gate Bridge is its origin after everyone who built it is dead and there are no plans.</p>
<p>In truth, I would have to say Canadian rhetoric I have read on this specific issue has had more of the ring of challenge about it, while Russia’s position appears more conciliatory. However, our government – especially when it is a conservative government as it is now, often echoes the concerns of its more powerful neighbour without thinking too much about whether the issue actually threatens us. About 85% of our trade goes south to the USA, and any “misunderstanding” that might imperil that relationship is to be avoided. To be honest, any government would do the same in the same circumstances, because any hiccup would have immediate impact on our economy. And the USA is the only nation that has yet to ratify the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea, although the Senate Foreign Relations Committee voted overwhelmingly to send it to the Senate for a vote 5 years ago. The USA seems to be waiting for new developments before committing itself, and the potential for an open Northwest Passage is likely a big part of that reluctance. I see Canadian rhetoric on this issue as mostly strutting for the benefit of our partners to show them we are keeping their concerns in mind. The offshore patrol vessels currently in the imaginative design phase for the Canadian Arctic are unlikely to have any serious offensive capability, and surely are not intended to fight a war for the high north.</p>
<p>As far as flying bombers “near” another nation’s airspace goes, when did that become illegal? As the agreement cited above specifies, all Arctic coastal states share responsibility for and stewardship of the Arctic. And almost all Russian aircraft designed and crewed for long onstation patrol functions are military.</p>
<p>My first loyalty is always to my own country; but I see no need for bellicose posturing and swaggering and believe it serves no purpose other than to make you look an ass when you are probably not. I’m in agreement with U.S. Senator John Quincy Adams – “<em>Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost.”</em></p>
<p><strong>You’ve </strong><a href="http://marknesop.wordpress.com/2010/10/27/rating-the-russia-watchers/"><strong>praised</strong></a><strong> A Good Treaty, and he rewards you by </strong><a href="http://larussophobe.wordpress.com/2011/04/21/editorial-kremlin-stooge-the-very-bottom-of-the-fetid-russophile-barrel/#comment-99853"><strong>telling</strong></a><strong> La Russophobe that “you guys really deserve each other.” Ouch! Have anything to say to that?</strong></p>
<p><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-6408" src="http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/putmarck-under-water1.jpg" alt="" width="224" height="300" />I’m glad you brought that up, because I was really hurt. I threw up my supper, stumbled to my room, buried my face in my pillow, drummed my feet on the bed and screamed, “Fuck you!!! Fuck you!!! What do you know, anyway??” Now that I’ve had time to cool down a little, I demand satisfaction – let’s settle this like men. We’ll fight. Since it was my idea, I get to choose the weapons, and I pick can openers in six feet of water (I hope he’s a short little bastard). Meet me in Shreveport, Louisiana on July 16<sup>th</sup> (my birthday), MoFo, and only one of us will walk away.</p>
<p>Seriously, I doubt Kevin thinks very much about my blog, although he’s kind enough to leave it on his blogroll and I get a lot of referrals from AGT. But I believe Kevin sees himself as a Serious Blogger, while seeing me as a Fundamentally Unserious Halfwit. He announced at his first blogging anniversary that he was going to hang up the tilting-at-windmills stuff and try for serious analysis. Maybe there’s just not as much room in his life for silliness any more, or he’s lost his patience for it. Also, he has a new baby in the house – must be just about time for some teeth – and maybe he was just tired.</p>
<p>Anyway, I really didn’t take any offense, because he’s right – we do deserve each other. There wouldn’t be any Kremlin Stooge without La Russophobe, and although I don’t use her articles for inspiration as often as I once intended, it’s great blogs like his that coaxed my interest in Russia beyond the panting fury on show at her nutblog. I guess he’s entitled to a little criticism. And I’m pretty sure there’s still plenty of room in the Russia-watching blogosphere for Serious Bloggers and Fundamentally Unserious Halfwits.</p>
<p><strong>In the previous section, you said that Medvedev was a “dreamer.” Could you please elaborate? Because some would say that he has been very active at implementing reform. He has fired far more senior bureaucrats and regional bigwigs than Putin ever did, e.g. in the course of the police reforms a third of the most senior officers were recently </strong><a href="http://www.russiaotherpointsofview.com/2011/06/medvedevs-corruption-fight-picks-up-steam-in-2011-by-gordon-m-hahn.html"><strong>dismissed</strong></a><strong>. To give a range of other examples, </strong><a href="http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/how-medvedev-delivered-on-last-years-promises/438980.html"><strong>in the past year</strong></a><strong> Medvedev ordered state officials to leave the boards of state companies, signed a law that eliminates prison terms as mandatory punishment for white-collar crimes, promoted the privatization of state assets, and asked the government to draft a program for the support of education of Russian students in leading international universities. So is your attitude not, in fact, a “</strong><a href="http://theivanovosti.typepad.com/the_ivanov_report/2011/06/presumption-of-failure.html"><strong>presumption of failure</strong></a><strong>” in Eugene Ivanov’s words? </strong></p>
<p>Actually, I kind of wish I had read that post before I responded. The comments as well; especially Patrick Armstrong’s, in which he pointed out that the attitude toward reform in Russia – from a typical western perspective – is that it’s immediately a complete success or else it’s another dismal failure. But it probably wouldn’t have changed my response much. Still, you’re right – as is Eugene – that Medvedev has achieved a good deal that he’s received little or no credit for, and perhaps that’s deliberate although it’s difficult to reconcile a west that wants to see Medvedev in the big chair rather than Putin with a west that never says anything good about Medvedev.</p>
<p>No, what I meant to infer when I said Medvedev was “a dreamer” was not so much Medvedev’s/Putin’s actual accomplishments (and admittedly, the list of Medvedev’s accomplishments is more impressive than I would have thought) as Medvedev’s hopes that these accomplishments are going to win over the west and inspire a renewed rapprochement with it. Putin, whom I described in the same question as “a realist”, knows there will be no such rapprochement unless the west has no other alternative, and that the international game of musical chairs in which the west tries to inch closer and closer with encircling military bases will continue long after the music stops. In this comparison, Medvedev looks like Charlie Brown; unable to stop himself from taking another run at the football, even though on some level he understands the probability it will be yanked away just as he commits.</p>
<p>However, if you suggested that’s uncharitable, and that someone who really wished Russia success insofar as her interests do not trample on those of someone else’s rights, you’d be correct. The thing to do would be to get behind Medvedev’s plans, and amplify his successes as they deserve to be. I humbly so resolve. And although I remain unconvinced he’s the strong leader Russia needs to consolidate and progress its gains achieved over the past decade, I apologize for my lack of faith in his ability to achieve anything constructive. If for no other reason, because anything that appears to put Lilia Shevtsova and I on the same side cannot go on unresolved.</p>
<p><strong>When Putin came to power he promised to “eliminate the oligarchs as a class”, but as of last year </strong><a href="http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/01862e52-3793-11e0-b91a-00144feabdc0.html#axzz1PlTCXLH3"><strong>there were</strong></a><strong> 114 billionaires – an order of magnitude greater than under Yeltsin. Putin’s judo buddies and Ozero friends have done </strong><a href="http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,2055962,00.html"><strong>particularly well</strong></a><strong>; e.g., to quote Daniel Treisman, “During his second term, control over valuable Gazprom assets began to pass into the hands of one of [Putin’s] old friends, Yury Kovalchuk… After Gazprom bought the oil company Sibneft from the oligarch Roman Abramovich, much of its oil was sold by another old Putin acquaintance, Gennady Timchenko.” (I’d also note the latter </strong><a href="http://www.arcticprogress.com/2011/02/russian-tycoon-to-buy-port-of-murmansk/"><strong>was sold</strong></a><strong> the Port of Murmansk for $250 million this year with no public bidding). All this isn’t exactly out of character for Putin either; back in 1999, when the Prosecutor-General  Skuratov insisted on investigating corruption in Yeltsin’s Family, Putin helped discredit him with a sex video and pressed him to resign. Even if we accept </strong><a href="http://marknesop.wordpress.com/2011/04/21/consequence-free/"><strong>your arguments</strong></a><strong> that Putin isn’t personally corrupt, isn’t it undeniable that he broke his promise and far from eliminating the oligarchs he has ensconced their power? And given the favors he’s dispensed to his friends, will he not be able to cash in on them with interest once he leaves the Presidency and thus enter the oligarchy himself?</strong></p>
<p>First, what’s the direct relationship between numbers of billionaires and oligarchs? I’m afraid I don’t see a natural correlation between oligarchs and billionaires – if you are one, are you, ipso facto, the other as well? Is T. Boone Pickens an oligarch? If everyone in Russia is a little bit better off financially than they were under Yeltsin – and they are unless they are making a conscious effort to not be – are they incrementally more corrupt?</p>
<p><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-6409" src="http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/prokhorov-200x300.jpg" alt="" width="200" height="300" />Although FT often goes out of its way to spin every news item that concerns Russia in an unfavourable light, this reference is at pains to point out that one of these oligarchs is Mikhail Prokhorov. Back in 2007, Prokhorov was allegedly forced by Putin to sell his 26% stake in Norilsk Nickel.  This, <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/08/business/yourmoney/08nickel.html?ref=mikhaildprokhorov">according to the New York Times</a>, suggests the Kremlin flexing its muscles and punishing Prokhorov. Bouncing back to your reference, we learn that the Kremlin actually did him a huge favour, since when markets collapsed, Prokhorov was “the only oligarch with any cash to spare.” If the Kremlin was able to foresee the market collapse a year before it happened, why didn’t every sugar-daddy make out like a bandit? There’s a disconnect here, in which (according to the NYT) “…under Mr. Putin, the Russian government is establishing vast, state-owned holding companies in automobile and aircraft manufacturing, shipbuilding, nuclear power, diamonds, titanium and other industries. His economic model is sometimes compared with the state-owned, “national champion” industries in France under Charles de Gaulle in the 1950s. The policy of forcing owners of strategic assets to sell their holdings has also been compared to recent nationalizations in Venezuela and other Latin American nations. “Yet while Putin reinvents the Soviet Union – and, according to Irina Yasina, “In Russia today, no serious deal can be made without approval from the Kremlin” – despite the fact that there were no oligarchs until Yeltsin sold off state assets at fire-sale prices, somehow Putin is consolidating everything under the state’s iron grip, while a burgeoning bumper crop of oligarchs is getting rich. How? How can these two conditions coexist? A new Soviet Union and a simultaneous flabbergasting spike in private wealth? Come on, guys – get your narrative nailed down.</p>
<p>FT also points out that the surge in personal wealth by the wealthy it persists in referring to as “oligarchs” originates with a 20% increase in value in the Russian stock market in 2010, and increasing demand for raw materials from China. It’s a bit of a stretch to maintain that Putin personally controls the Russian stock market and is shunting sweet deals to his friends – when would he find the time to do that, and how could he have been such a dink as to let it crash in 2009, wiping out billions in his pals’ money? – but anyone who means to suggest Putin is behind Chinese economic growth is asking to be laughed out of the room. Maybe some of those wealthy businessmen gained their original oligarch spurs during the privatization giveaway (under Yeltsin); but if you make more money in straight business deals using that money, are you still an oligarch? When does that stop – ever? Is the west as unforgiving of the source of personal fortunes in the west?</p>
<p>It simply stands to reason that if the economy of the whole country is picking up, the rich will get richer and new rich will join their ranks. It’s astonishing how many places that happens, and the risks are demonstrably greater in Russia along with the rewards.</p>
<p>How has Putin “ensconced the oligarchs’ power” when Prokhorov is the first to dip a toe into politics since Khodorkovsky, and allegedly on the Kremlin’s side at that? As to the other part of the question, is it unusual for national leaders to be connected to the rich? Does this presuppose Putin will become a rich oligarch when he leaves politics? Maybe, but as someone who has not flaunted conspicuous wealth all his life as many similarly-connected western leaders have, it would not simply be a return to type. There’s no denying the opportunity is there. But a Putin no longer in a position to “dispense favours” might not be an advantage worth the price.</p>
<p><strong>As a follow-up to the last question, don’t you think that the only reason Khodorkovsky was singled out by the regime for prosecution was because he funded the opposition and called for transparency? After all, plenty of other oligarchs who misappropriated Russia’s wealth in the 1990’s were allowed to enjoy their riches – or get even richer with the Kremlin’s help.</strong></p>
<p>No, I don’t. Only a fool would argue everyone who deserves to be in jail in Russia is in jail, any more than that state of affairs prevails anywhere else. It was indeed unconscionable to make a deal with the oligarchs in the terms it’s been described – stay out of politics, and yer can keep the swag, ahrrrr. However, once again, was it effective? The country has prospered, the remaining oligarchs have indeed stayed out of politics or moved abroad to protect their wealth (have a look at the numbers of wealthy Americans moving abroad to avoid what they say are crippling taxes), and the chances of success for a policy that would have seen Putin pitting himself against the accumulated wealth of Russia’s richest and all the influence they could muster would have been, I submit, dim. Perhaps Mr. Putin viewed it as a necessary deal to move the country forward without opposition. Again, there’s no evidence to suggest he did it to enrich himself.</p>
<p>There certainly is a sizable segment of society that would like to believe Khodorkovsky is guilty only of funding the opposition and advocating transparency. However, despite YUKOS’s reputation for transparency in business dealings, company records are no such thing and Khodorkovsky is defiantly unrepentant for defrauding Russia of legal tax revenue in order to increase his profit. I believe he funded the opposition mostly to put stumbling-blocks in the government’s way and keep them occupied while he increased his personal control over Russian affairs, and that he had no interest in running the country himself as a political leader because it would have limited his opportunities to enrich himself further, provided he still wanted to court western support. I further believe he was sandbagged disproportionately hard for tax evasion because the government could not get anyone to testify against him for more serious crimes, although there is considerable circumstantial evidence those crimes occurred. Unfortunately, the government’s star witness – the former mayor of Nefteyugansk – is dead, and Mr. Khodorkovsky’s former chief of security is in jail for it.</p>
<p><strong>In September 2000, central Russia was wracked by a series of apartment bomb blasts. As you probably know, many questions about it remain unanswered. There was the bizarre </strong><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_apartment_bombings#Ryazan_incident"><strong>Ryazan incident</strong></a><strong>, the materials on which the Duma voted to seal for 75 years. There was Duma Speaker Seleznyov telling the deputies about a bombing in Vologda, accurate in all respects but one – it occurred three days after his announcement. And those who tried to carry out independent investigations tended to see a drop in their life expectancies; one by one, they were assassinated (e.g. Yushenkov, Schekochikhin, Litvinenko). Is it possible that, directly or indirectly, Putin’s sky-rocketing popularity in late 2000 – and consequently, his Presidency – was built on the blood of innocents blown up by the FSB?</strong></p>
<p>Well, of course it’s possible. However, every story has two sides, and in a disagreement regarding an event for which no direct evidence has been produced, much goes to the credibility of the defenders of each respective viewpoint. So, let’s take a look at who said what. On the “Putin did it” side, David Satter – former Moscow correspondent for FT Russia, then columnist for the <em>Wall Street Journal. </em>Yury Felshtinsky, co-author (with dead Alexander Litvinenko) of “<em>Blowing Up Russia</em>”, sponsored by Boris Berezovsky, in which Felshtinsky accuses Putin of masterminding the bombings to achieve political power. Supposedly the target of a 3-man FSB assassination team, which had arrived in Boston in 2007 to kill him, Felshtinsky is unaccountably (and embarrassingly) still alive 4 years later – perhaps they’re tied up in customs at Logan International (What? Poison gas-tipped umbrellas are <em>illegal</em>???). Boris Berezovsky himself, former oligarch who high-sided it to the UK with his money and forecast in 2001 <a href="http://www.sptimes.ru/index.php?action_id=100&amp;story_id=4780">that Putin would be gone</a> by the end of the year, while blathering on as an authority on what constitutes corruption although the source of his fortune is generally acknowledged <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/apr/13/russia.davidhearst">to have devolved from his connections with the Yeltsin “family”</a>. The reference also helpfully notes that Berezovsky broke with Putin when he “moved to rein in the oligarchs”. Boris Kagarlitsky, editor-in-chief of <em>Levaya Politika </em>and democracy activist. Vladimir Pribylovski, another co-author with still-not-dead Felshtinsky, and another admittedly biased opposition supporter through his political website Anticompromat.ru. On the “That’s just bullshit” side, Gordon Bennett of the Conflict Studies Research Centre, a former component of the Defence Academy of the UK and present component of the Advanced Research and Assessment Group. Robert Ware, noted expert on the North Caucasus. Henry Plater-Zyberk, former analyst for the British Foreign Office, specialist in Russia and Central Asia and senior analyst at the Conflict Studies Research Centre. Simon Saradzhyan, security and foreign policy expert, former editor of the Moscow Times and research fellow at Harvard. Richard Sakwa, Professor of  Russian and European Politics at the University of Kent, and recognized expert in Russian and Eastern European politics. Who has more invested in the “Putin blew up his own people” story being true?</p>
<p>None of the people mentioned were present when the bombings took place. Although there’s been a lot of talk about “evidence”, there apparently has been none brought forward, and those who supplied testimony are more or less disposed to lie depending on who’s telling the story.  <em>Novaya Gazeta</em> reported the testimony of one Private Pinyaev, for example, who supposedly was party to a group who made tea with some “sugar” which was actually Hexogen and which “tasted terrible”, although RDX derivatives like Hexogen are a poison that is toxic even if inhaled or absorbed through the skin and can lead to seizures. That’d be hard to forget.</p>
<p>There are indeed inconsistencies in the case that are difficult to explain. However, the actions supposedly undertaken by the FSB seem so clownishly verifiable that it’s hard to imagine they would so obviously incriminate themselves. The side that argues for it being a false-flag operation consists mostly of political dissidents and democracy activists, while the side that argues against that explanation consists largely of respected academics with a good deal of experience. And if the FSB are all liars, well, it’d be worth remembering where Litvinenko came from.</p>
<p><strong>I noticed that in the </strong><a href="http://larussophobe.wordpress.com/2010/02/28/editorial-annals-of-the-sochi-fiasco/"><strong>original discussion</strong></a><strong> that drew you to La Russophobe (and blogging), you made the following bet with commentator Felix: “The Sochi Winter Games will go ahead as scheduled, and the positive reviews will far outnumber the negatives.” Are you still confident about that given the rate of embezzlement corroding that project? (For instance, one road </strong><a href="http://esquire.ru/sochi-road"><strong>was found to</strong></a><strong> cost $8 billion; it would have been cheaper to pave it with black caviar). And if you’re wrong do you still intend to send Felix his beer?</strong></p>
<p>I’m still confident Sochi will be rated a success, even though many English-language sources will be disposed to look for negatives. I believe that case of Stella is as good as mine, but of course a bet is a bet and I will pay up if I’m wrong. Note, though, that Felix defined the terms very narrowly, and it does not even need to be a roaring success for me to win &#8211; Russia merely has to hold to full completion more than 20 medal-winning events (20 is proposed to be a tie; less, and I lose), and as Felix points out, that’s less than half the events held in Vancouver. Money for jam, as the British used to say.</p>
<p>In that post I also got away with arguing that Boris Nemtsov was not from Sochi, which was Ding! Ding! Ding! incorrect. I didn’t know any better then. Of course, I do now.</p>
<p><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-6410" src="http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/sochi-road-300x200.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="200" />As far as the road to Sochi goes – come on, Anatoly. You blew that one to pieces yourself, <a href="http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/2010/07/23/red-slope-to-caviar-road/">here</a>. I quote: “Intended to be completed within 3 years in an area with a poorly developed infrastructure, this so-called “road” also includes a high-speed railway, more than 50 bridges, and 27km of tunnels over mountainous, ecologically-fragile terrain!” Once you consider that, you told us, “things begin to make a lot more sense.” That kind of construction ain’t cheap. Although doubtless corruption has inflated the overall expense, this is commonplace with government projects in many countries, few of whom are sufficiently pure to cast aspersions; let’s not inflate it to “Congo-like proportions”. Say, did you notice it’s only Russophobes who counsel using caviar as an alternative – and economically competitive – road surface? I beg to differ: it has serious durability issues compared with asphalt, and in summer! Well, I don’t have to tell you what a caviar road would begin to smell like.</p>
<h3>Back to the Future</h3>
<p><strong>Many Russia watchers don’t like to put their money where their mouth is. Though I’m sure you’re not the type, feel free to confirm it by making a few <em>falsifiable</em> predictions about Russia’s future. After a few years, we’ll see if you were worth listening to.</strong></p>
<p>Russia will be a full member of the WTO by the end of 2012. Joint Asian financial institutions will form which will channel tremendous direct investment into Russia, and ties between Russia and China particularly will strengthen. New spheres of influence will form, and China and Russia will hold annual large-scale joint military exercises. Russia will permit a much greater degree of foreign ownership in state assets. The new Japanese government will formally forswear all claims to the Kuriles, and Russo-Japanese relations will dramatically improve.</p>
<p>That last one is really going out on a limb, as if any such initiative does look likely there will be intense lobbying from the USA to discourage it, and the USA is likely to remain strongly influential in the formation of Japanese foreign policy. But I feel good about it nonetheless.</p>
<p><strong>And specifically, could you make any predictions on who will be the President from 2012?</strong></p>
<p>Whoa – too close to call. I still think it’ll be Putin, and that’s what I’d like to see, but the list of Medvedev’s accomplishments you reeled off earlier makes me think he’s a better bet than I had at first supposed. Either of them could win easily, so I could just say, “The United Russia candidate”. But that’d be facetious.</p>
<p>I think it would be better for Russia if Putin won, for reasons I stated earlier. He’s less easy to seduce with saccharine promises of western cooperation, which is not going to be forthcoming unless whoever wins swears to run the country according to western diktat. However, Medvedev is the more likely of the two to push for liberal reforms that will benefit Russia long-term.</p>
<p><strong>What are your plans for The Kremlin Stooge?</strong></p>
<p>As long as I’m having fun, I plan to keep on keepin’ on. If I can encourage some more of my lazy commenters to put their opinions where my posts are, I plan to have more guest work. Confusion to our enemies, and death to Russophobia!!!</p>
<p><strong>Thanks to The Kremlin Stooge for an excellent interview!</strong></p>
<p>If you wish me to interview you or another Russia watcher, feel free to <a href="http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/contact/">contact me</a>.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[After a year long hiatus from interviewing Russia watchers, I decided it was time to get back in the game. As it happens, my attention first fell on a Europe blogger – and not just any incisive, counter-intuitive scribbler whose intellect and &#8230; <a class="more-link" href="http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/2011/05/16/interview-craig-willy/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-6195" src="http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/craig-willy-177x300.jpg" alt="" width="177" height="300" />After a year long hiatus from <a href="http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/2010/07/28/russia-watchers-in-their-own-words/">interviewing</a> Russia watchers, I decided it was time to get back in the game. As it happens, my attention first fell on a Europe blogger – and not just any incisive, counter-intuitive scribbler whose intellect and analytical acumen is matched only by the number of themes he is prepared to expound upon, but also someone who has experience in politics (work in both the US Congress and the European Parliament), <a href="http://euroletters.wordpress.com/published-work/">journalism</a> (with the EU policy news site <a href="http://www.euractiv.com/en/">EurActiv</a>), ideological adventurer (started off very neocon, but Iraq War and education fixed that), and a fellow rootless cosmopolitan (having been raised in France and briefly in the US, and studied at the London School of Economics). I am talking of none other than Craig Willy, who writes the irreverent (and informed) <a href="http://euroletters.wordpress.com/">Letters from Europe</a>.</p>
<h3>Craig Willy: In His Own Words&#8230;</h3>
<p><strong>What first sparked your interest in blogging and Europe, and how did the twain meet?</strong></p>
<p>I’ve been in love with history, politics, thought and argument since I was maybe 14. I remember very clearly telling a friend at the time that I wanted to “be paid to say my opinion”… Perhaps not the easiest career path and not one I persistently pursued!</p>
<p>Blogs don’t provide money, usually, but they are an absolute liberation for the aspiring writer: costs are zero, middlemen are eliminated, and you can reach every person on the planet who has Internet. How could I <em>not</em> blog? I started <a href="http://craigcorner.blogspot.com/2004_09_01_archive.html">my first blog</a> in 2004 and I don’t think I’ve changed the mix of <a href="http://craigcorner.blogspot.com/2004_09_01_archive.html">more analytical pieces</a> with humor, <a href="http://craigcorner.blogspot.com/2004_11_01_archive.html">including on Euro-nonsense</a>.</p>
<p>I have always been interested in Europe as I was born and raised here (specifically in France and the UK). I have been interested in the EU insofar as it seemed to represent Europeans <em>reclaiming their power in the world and historical agency</em>. It usually fails in this respect and hence I used to find the United States of America – its historical role, politics and foreign policy organizations – much more interesting. I now think all areas of the world are worthy of study. The US is probably over-written about and, being based in Brussels and involved in EU journalism, I can genuinely add value writing about European affairs. If I wrote about the US I would be just another opinion. I also think Europe needs more pan-European writers: it is a very real entity but it has no public space.</p>
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<p><strong>Do you see yourself, first and foremost, as a blogger, journalist, or pundit? What are your best and worst experiences in these roles?</strong></p>
<p>I do not see these as mutually exclusive. They all feed into each other as I often draw on my journalistic work for my blog and the people I meet through blogging often end up being professionally useful. I am not a pundit because I don’t have the fame.</p>
<p>My best experience, and it is ongoing, was beginning formal journalistic work in Brussels a mere three months ago. It’s the first job I really enjoy and find stimulation in, and one that doesn’t feel “false”. It’s also one in which I’ve learned a really incredible amount about how media really work, the complicity between politicians and journalists, the endless plethora of lobbies, pols, NGOs, etc trying to influence the news with their inane press releases, as well as the intricacies of various EU policy areas in practice.</p>
<p>The worst I don’t know. Well, as every blogger knows, blogging can be a lonely, unglamorous and perfectly un-remunerated activity. And still we do it. I don’t think we can do otherwise!</p>
<p>In the long run, I hope to become a completely independent blogger-journalist. In truth, objective text does not exist and to the extent that blogs recognize their subjectivity they are more honest than “normal journalism”. The main difference is in tone, a different idea of balance, and adapting to the publication’s style. In being part of a large organization – which has its culture, clients and priorities – you are obviously also far less free.</p>
<p>I am very attached to my freedom.</p>
<p><strong>Who are the best Europe commentators? Who are the worst?</strong></p>
<p>You know my Google Reader is chock full of European blogs and RSS feeds, and I have some difficulty answering that question…</p>
<p>Actually, the worst is undoubtedly one of the neo-Maurrassian race-baiting French pundits. I will pick Éric Zemmour as he is by far the most famous and influential of them and because as a Jew himself he should really know better than to constantly (and smugly!) demonize black and/or Muslim Frenchmen.</p>
<p>As to the best it is very difficult to say… J. Clive-Matthews, <a href="http://www.jcm.org.uk/blog/">aka NoseMonkey</a>, might have been the best EU blogger but he no longer writes much. <a href="http://fistfulofeuros.net/"><em>Fistful of Euros</em></a> was easily the best pan-European blog, but it was collaborative and the project has declined in output and coherence. There are lots of very good bloggers whom I usually disagree with but who both have large audiences and are worth reading whether <a href="http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/author/danielhannan/">Euroskeptic Tory MEP Daniel Hannan</a>, <a href="http://bruxelles.blogs.liberation.fr/coulisses/"><em>Libération</em> journalist Jean Quatremer</a> or the <a href="http://leninology.blogspot.com/">Leninist Richard “Didn’t Get the Memo” Seymour</a>. I wouldn’t settle on one person however and there is no really good pan-European blogger. It’s a hole I kind of aspire to fill…</p>
<p><strong>You lived for substantial periods of time in France, the UK, and the US. What are their respective charms and blemishes? If you had to choose, where would you prefer to reside permanently?</strong></p>
<p>The UK tends to be more down-to-earth and unpretentious than the other two. Americans, particularly those of the Midwest and my Dad in particular, have a wonderful “can-do” spirit and optimism. The French, if you can get a secure job, I think have succeeded most in reconciling the constraints of modern civilization with living a “good, flourishing life.”</p>
<p>Oh dear… I often go on rants about the absurdities and prejudices of this or that country. I don’t spare anyone and I could go on forever if I start… So I won’t!</p>
<p><strong>If you could recommend three books about European politics and/or history, what would they be?</strong></p>
<p><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-6200" src="http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/raymond-aron-269x300.jpg" alt="" width="269" height="300" />First, I urge everyone to read <em>In Defense of Decadent Europe</em> [<strong>AK</strong>: <em><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1560008946/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=subliobliv-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=217145&amp;creative=399349&amp;creativeASIN=1560008946">Click to buy</a></em>] by the great French intellectual Raymond Aron, ideally in the original French though an abridged English version is available. Written in 1977, there is no better analysis of the strengths and weaknesses of “Western Europe” and the European Economic Community (precursor to the EU), its democracies and economies, their superiority to the Communist bloc, the <em>unremarkable</em> nature of the Communist countries, the course the Soviet Empire’s collapse would take, the mirage of Socialism (it appeared the Communists might win elections in Italy and a Socialist-Communist coalition nearly did in France)&#8230; The book is so lucid and right – it has nothing to do with Neoconservative simplifications and idiocies – that it convinced me a contemporary observer really can understand the world he inhabits. You don’t need to wait for time to give you “perspective” or the opening of the government archives. It is a better analysis of Europe in the Cold War than probably the majority of books that have appeared on the subject since.</p>
<p>Some of this might seem dated – environmentalism, neoliberalism and the War on Terror had yet to appear – but it is quite amazing how many subjects he touches upon that are still perfectly relevant, such as dysfunctional oil-rich countries and the glut of unemployed and overqualified graduates (already!). Incidentally, people should read everything by Aron. Most of it is available in English (<em>The Opium of the Intellectuals</em> [<strong>AK</strong>: <em><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0765807009/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=subliobliv-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=217145&amp;creative=399349&amp;creativeASIN=0765807009">Click to buy</a></em>], <em>Progress and Disillusion</em>, <em>War and Peace between Nations</em>, <em>Clausewitz</em>…) but it is worth learning the French language <em>just</em> to be able to know his thoughts in the original.</p>
<p>Second, read everything by the great Marxist historian Eric Hobsbawm, and in particular <em>Age of Extremes</em> [<strong>AK</strong>: <em><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0679730052/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=subliobliv-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=217145&amp;creative=399349&amp;creativeASIN=0679730052">Click to buy</a></em>], his history of the “Short Twentieth Century”. It is world history but Europe dominates it. He is a very lucid, very balanced and incredibly erudite historian and you can only come out of his books feeling more knowledgeable and intelligent.</p>
<p>Third, I have some trouble. I have yet to read a really good book on the EU actually. Tony Judt’s <em>Postwar</em> is more of a continental encyclopedia and doesn’t really deal with the EU. All the books that explain the EU tend to be textbook-style and very boring. I’ve heard Alan S. Milward’s <em>The European Rescue of the Nation-State</em> and Edgar Morin’s <em>Penser l’Europe</em> are very good, the latter is resting on my bookshelf, but I’ve yet to read them. Jeremy Rifkin’s <em>The European Dream</em> [<strong>AK</strong>: <em><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1585424358/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=subliobliv-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=217145&amp;creative=399349&amp;creativeASIN=1585424358">Click to buy</a></em>] and John McCormick’s <em>The European Superpower</em> are worth reading but are pop works rather than “great”.</p>
<p>I suppose I will settle on Perry Anderson’s <em>The New Old World </em>[<strong>AK</strong>: <em><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/184467312X/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=subliobliv-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=217145&amp;creative=399349&amp;creativeASIN=184467312X">Click to buy</a></em>]. It is a very good introduction to Europe today from a Marxist perspective. As such it is mostly critical but like Hobsbawm very informed and provides a very good overview of various national politics, enlargement, the EU itself and EU integration <em>theory</em> (if you’re into that sort of thing…).</p>
<p><strong>The US vs. EU quality of life debate may be cliché and overdone, but I can&#8217;t help asking a Europe buff this question: which would you say offers the preferable socio-economic model? (OK, it&#8217;s obvious from your posts that EU &gt; USA. Please expound.)</strong></p>
<p>The first point I want to make is that anyone who claims lack of “government” <strong><em>systematically</em></strong> leads to more economic efficiency and better outcomes is simply misinformed, wrong and perhaps arguing in very bad faith. You have the whole history of industrial civilization contradicting them. Look at 19<sup>th</sup> century America, Bismarckian Germany, Meiji Japan, Stalin’s Soviet Union, postwar Europe and Japan, the “Asian Tigers” or China today: each of these countries achieved stunning economic and industrial growth with some combination of tariffs (all of them, basically), industrial policy (publicly-funded railroads), mercantilism (support for export-oriented “national champions”, the undervalued Yuan) or even outright State control of the economy.</p>
<p>So I get pretty frustrated with the whole Republican spiel about laissez-faire dynamism and sclerotic Europe. You have to be incredibly ignorant of economic history – and I would say they very probably are – to believe what they do and the slurs they sling at Europe to justify the economic and social mess they’re making of their own country.</p>
<p>The second point is that though I am not an economist or an expert on economic or industrial policy, I can read statistics and they tend to indicate that modern civilization leads us to <em>produce and consume more without this necessarily adding to either national well-being or personal happiness</em>. It is true that the US’s GDP per capita is significantly higher than Europe’s. Why is this? It is due to a proportionally larger and younger active population, to longer working hours, and &#8211; it is true &#8211; to very high productivity (slightly higher than in most European countries).</p>
<p><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-6208" src="http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/canyonero-300x256.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="256" />But what have they done with this wealth? The numbers are eloquent. Americans eat so poorly and are so inactive that generals warn <a href="http://cdn.missionreadiness.org/MR_Too_Fat_to_Fight-1.pdf">youth obesity is a threat to recruitment and national security</a>. Energy efficiency and transport are catastrophic: the <a href="http://cdn.missionreadiness.org/MR_Too_Fat_to_Fight-1.pdf">US emits almost 40% more CO2 than Europe</a> (including Turkey and the Balkans) despite having a smaller economy and over 300 million less people. And it isn’t like the transport system is any good! Incidentally, this inefficiency, beyond environmental concerns, is a completely needless attack on America’s energy independence and national security.</p>
<p>The healthcare system is an economic and social disaster, costing <a href="http://www.who.int/countries/usa/en/">almost twice as much per capita</a> as <a href="http://www.who.int/countries/fra/en/">that of France</a> (one of the more expensive European healthcare systems), for not noticeably better and <em>much</em> more unequal outcomes. So much for “market efficiency.” Then there’s the prison-industrial complex, <a href="http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/index.cfm?ty=tp&amp;tid=11">some 2.3 million people behind bars</a>, on the scale of the Soviet gulag and by far the most in the world today, with many millions more under probation and other forms of police-state supervision. This reduces the unemployment figures and provides jobs for prison wardens in certain districts, but the costs are huge: billions of dollars wasted are nothing compared to the ruin this has inflicted on the black community. This is not due principally to excess criminality, but to draconian drug laws, discriminatory justice, weak welfare, and a conscious decision that the defense of the socio-economic system should be done in the most coercive way possible.</p>
<p>Most of these problems are not inherent to the American character or even US politics. They can be traced back, very precisely, to the failure of Lyndon Johnson’s Liberalism and the triumph of Ronald Reagan’s Conservatism. That was when the country and its political leadership completely failed to address oil dependence, the expanding prison population, embraced the doctrine of eternal war as an integral part of American nationalism, lost the egalitarian tendency, and so on.</p>
<p>If anything, I do not champion Europe’s various economic and welfare models. Europe is far from perfect and no one claims it is. It’s simply that the American alternative is unalloyed crap and the discourse about it, particularly by Republicans, is so manifestly false, hollow and hypocritical. An informed person could only see the US model for what it is: sickeningly inefficient and unjust. Even Americans see this: when Americans say in polls <a href="http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/09/25/poll-wealth-distribution-similar-sweden/">they want the income distribution on Sweden</a> (easily the most “Communist” country today) but elect a Republican Congress, my brain simply can’t cope with fathoming that level cognitive dissonance in the American public (you made this point once). [<strong>AK</strong>: <em>You mean <a href="http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/2011/04/13/national-comparisons-4/">here</a>, where I talk of American false consciousness?</em>] It is literally maddening.</p>
<p><strong>As this blog focuses quite a lot on Russia, I can&#8217;t avoid asking you for your thoughts on EU &#8211; Russia relations. Are they improving or worsening? Is it at all plausible for Russia to enter the EU by 2025, and would it serve either of the two parties&#8217; interests?</strong></p>
<p>I think relations are good. There are no fundamental problems. Of course there are serious divisions within Europe – the new members understandably being very suspicious. (Although I like to tell them it only took a few years for France and Germany to make up after the Second World War…) Russia’s relations with France and Germany, incidentally, are very good. Paris and Moscow have similar visions of a multipolar world and both aspire to be genuine world powers while Berlin and Moscow are united by economic collaboration that can get downright incestuous (see Gerhard Schröder).</p>
<p>I cannot say what Russia’s destiny is. On the one hand, Russia and its near-abroad make up one of the four great poles of Western civilization, the others being (Western) Europe, North America and Latin America. That is to say as an economic, cultural and geopolitical space, it is and has long been distinct from “Europe” and, in my opinion, Russia needs to think about how it can weld the post-Soviet space into some kind of coherent economic and social union. I am not someone who believes that much was gained by the replacement of a stable Soviet Union with the collection of ethnic conflicts, impoverished and corrupt oligarchies, and poxy Central Asian dictatorships we have now.</p>
<p>On the other hand, I often think Russia must be reconciled with Europe in some way. There is an undeniable kinship and shared history but I don’t see how closer ties could work in practice. We are still very, very different and I don’t see all that much convergence. I think there is no chance of membership by 2025. Maybe by 2050 if Russia continues to grow but also becomes much more democratic. On the other hand, in the long run, how could Russia <em>not</em> join? The level of economic interdependence is always growing and the logic of regional integration often genuinely ineluctable. It would certainly make the linguistic situation very interesting if the Union has 150 million Russophones and perhaps more if Ukraine and others join…</p>
<p><strong>How dangerous do you consider Europe&#8217;s reliance on Russian natural gas? With the anti-nuclear fallout post Fukushima, and France&#8217;s recent banning of gas fracking, do you think this dependence will grow in the next decade?</strong></p>
<p><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-6204" src="http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/russian-gas-300x199.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="199" />I don’t think it is all that dangerous. Russia needs European money almost as much as Europe needs gas. Russia can pick a fight with smallish poor Eastern European countries but I don’t see what it could possibly gain in conflicts with its Western European partners and the gatekeepers to the biggest economic area in the world.</p>
<p>I am not sold on nuclear as a way of reducing energy independence. It can be used en masse to provide almost all your electricity, but electricity is only about 20% of the energy we use! A lot depends on whether renewables become a non-negligible source of energy and the extent to which fossil fuels are replaced by electricity (particularly in transport). Clearly nuclear has taken a catastrophic hit in Europe though, everyone but France is pretty much giving it up. France will maintain its capacity however and who can say which way the wind will blow in 10 or 15 years?</p>
<p><strong>One of the biggest Russian gripes regarding Europe is its travel restrictions. To visit many European countries, Russians need to expend considerable time and effort to procure a visa. Is a visa-free regime possible within the next 5 years?</strong></p>
<p>Access to its labor market is one of the most valuable things the EU can grant to another country. It is also, today, one of the most controversial due to the current anti-immigrant sentiment and race-baiting politicians. I can’t really say whether a visa-free regime will be possible within five years.</p>
<p>On the one hand, the very charming and funny Russian Ambassador to the EU <a href="http://www.euractiv.com/en/global-europe/ambassador-russia-tell-eu-perfect-interview-504660">Vladimir Chizhov said in an interview</a> said he was upset by the recent developments in Europe because it would undermine his negotiations for a visa-free regime (by the way a very interesting interview covering lots of other subjects).</p>
<p>On the other hand, I was very surprised last November when <a href="http://www.eubusiness.com/news-eu/immigration-bosnia.6um/">EU granted visa-free travel rights to Albanians and Bosnians</a>. They’re the sort of foreigners whose alleged criminality politicians would normally make noise about. The European Commission, which has little power itself, would normally cave in to the demands of said politicians.</p>
<h3>HARD Talk with Craig Willy</h3>
<p><strong>ANATOLY KARLIN</strong>: I know that you have a great deal of enthusiasm for the European project. However, many observers &#8211; including myself &#8211; are skeptical about its longterm sustainability. The economic crisis has fueled popular resentment, e.g. the Greeks cursing outside financial authorities for imposing steep cuts to public spending, while the Germans deride them for their fiscal profligacy and dislike having to bail them out (recent polls suggest a majority of Germans want the Deutsche Mark back). The political right is <a href="http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,758883,00.html" target="_blank">enjoying</a> a Europe-wide resurgence. National interests appear to be diverging, e.g. with France focusing on the Mediterranean, while Germany deepens ties with Russia. Border controls are reappearing. The global economic situation is cloudy, and high oil prices seem to be here to stay, presenting a further panoply of challenges to European solidarity. So is ever deeper union a realistic prospect, or is there a chance that the EU will end up as little more than a glorified free trade area by 2020?</p>
<p><strong>CRAIG WILLY</strong>: As a disclaimer, I’ve gotten much, much more critical of EU officials and pols since I’ve come to Brussels. I am still wedded to the project however and I think most of the nonsense EU officials engage in is ultimately due to structural constraints imposed on them by the national governments.</p>
<p>The EU is not much more than an economic entity but it <em>is</em> much more than a free trade area. In fact, as soon as you have a commitment to a customs union (e.g.: a common external tariff and common trade negotiations with foreigners) and genuine single market, you can’t help but be a <em>de facto</em> economic power and have substantial integration, such as a common EU patent, common EU property rights, common EU approach to GMOs, and so on. The EU remains the world’s biggest economy and the truth is most international relations today involve economic issues above all. As such, the EU isn’t a wholly inappropriate entity for the (let’s call it) postmodern world.<em> </em></p>
<p>I am pessimistic about further integration for at least another ten years. A lot depends on whether the national governments decide to reform the EU to actually make it democratic. There needs to be a connection between the elections to the European Parliament and the President of the European Commission. There is nothing in the treaties that makes this impossible; the pan-European parties only need to get their act together and agree on candidates. <a href="http://euroletters.wordpress.com/2011/05/11/barnier-there-can-only-be-one-eu-president/">Commissioner Michel Barnier recently suggested</a> that this happen and that the Commission and Council presidencies incidentally be merged. If this were done, there would be a genuine European politics and an identifiable face/mandated chief executive for the EU.</p>
<p>It is possible if they want it. Democracy is impossible without a common language but English has long been establishing itself as the <em>lingua franca</em> among Europeans. South Africa and India, much poorer countries with if anything harsher internal ethnic divisions, prove that multilingual and multiethnic democracy is possible. Of course, national leaders don’t want a democratic EU, like the old Italian and German princely states they prefer to maintain their own power, they prefer division to the common good. It doesn’t help that the current panoply of European leaders – Merkel, Sarkozy and Berlusconi in particular – are absolutely disgraceful for their lack of ambition and venality.</p>
<p><strong>ANATOLY KARLIN</strong>: The discourse on Europe&#8217;s demography is decidedly pessimistic, though perhaps unreasonably so (in 2010, France may have <a href="http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/2011/01/18/01016-20110118ARTFIG00776-la-fecondite-a-un-niveau-record.php" target="_blank">overtaken</a> the US in total fertility rates). Nonetheless, the pessimism is not without cause, as France (and the UK) are exceptions rather than the rule. Most of Europe, including the biggest countries &#8211; Germany, Italy, Spain, Poland &#8211; have been reproducing at well below replacement level rates for over two decades. What impact will this have on Europe&#8217;s economic dynamism and the welfare state? And in a world of limits to growth, could Europe&#8217;s demographic clouds have a silver lining?</p>
<p><strong>CRAIG WILLY</strong>: I think the world needs less babies. Europe is less wasteful environmentally than America, but if every Asian and African achieved a European standard of living the Earth would become unlivable and exhausted within a few years.</p>
<p>Ageing is a huge challenge and will put incredible strain on Europe’s finances and lead to reduced power in the world. Low birthrates can also be a problem and the relative decline of France in Europe in the 19th Century can be directly attributed to the fertility of its German and British neighbors.</p>
<p>On the other hand, these are <em>universal</em> challenges characteristic of modern civilization. I would point to three things that make me optimistic about Europe:</p>
<ol>
<li>Birth rates on the whole are collapsing in developing countries. <a href="http://futurechallenges.org/web/guest/learn/demographic-change/article/-/articles/edit/50417">UN reports stress</a> that, by the time they reach our oldish demographic profile, they will not have achieved the West’s current levels of wealth. As such, their pension, economic and health problems will be significantly worse than what Europe faces. (I hope that doesn’t sound like Schadenfreude!)</li>
<li>East Asia’s birth rates and ageing are <em>even more catastrophic than Europe’s!</em> There is a very clear pattern here: an East Asian country develops very fast, Western commentators fret about our “decadence” and how we will be bought out by said East Asians, said East Asian country turns more-or-less gracefully into a fortified retirement home. I think of Japan of course but also of the forgotten “Tigers” South Korea, Singapore, Taiwan and Hong Kong. They all have birth rates around 1.2-1.4, lower than Europe. China, big scary China, is if anything in a worse situation. It is still very poor on a per capita basis but <a href="http://news.sciencemag.org/scienceinsider/2011/04/declining-chinese-birth-rate.html">its fertility rate has dropped below 1.5</a>. Given the trend in neighboring countries, I don’t know that the one-child policy is the only reason for this.</li>
<li>The <a href="http://ec.europa.eu/social/main.jsp?langId=en&amp;furtherNews=yes&amp;newsId=1007&amp;catId=89">EU’s latest demography report</a> points to some very interesting and counter-intuitive trends in terms of future family patterns that suggest godless French-style cohabitation, late-age childbearing and strong childcare policies are the cause of higher birthrates in certain countries. It is definitely worth reading the introduction at least. Another thing was that it points to the recent increase of EU fertility to 1.6 and perhaps soon to 1.7. It is unevenly divided across the Union but it not all that different from American non-Hispanic whites&#8217; 1.8. Of course America has massive immigration and, as such, the US’s demographic weight in the world will continue to increase massively, while Europe’s has basically peaked. Speaking of “Eurabia”, Hispanics have a fertility rate of 2.9, almost 50% over the average, and immigration is not really letting up. Isn’t it much more likely that we see a Hispanicization of America? Certainly California, New Mexico, Texas and Florida look like they might be destined to return to Latin civilization…</li>
</ol>
<p><strong>ANATOLY KARLIN</strong>: You&#8217;re not <a href="http://futurechallenges.org/web/guest/learn/demographic-change/article/-/articles/An+Islamic+Germany!%3F" target="_blank">the biggest fan</a> of the &#8220;Eurabia&#8221; thesis. I totally <a href="http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/2010/06/20/top-5-demography-myths/" target="_blank">agree</a> with you, but I will play devil&#8217;s advocate. Please explain why you discount the possibility that: (1) the number of Muslims in Europe is under-counted (e.g. due to political correctness); (2) that migration from Muslim countries will not grow in the coming years, on the background of Europe&#8217;s demographic problems and population stress in Africa and the Middle East; and (3) the increasing radicalization of Europe&#8217;s Muslim populations (e.g. one third of British Muslims <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/jan/29/thinktanks.religion" target="_blank">support</a> the death penalty for apostasy).</p>
<p><strong>CRAIG WILLY</strong>: I can’t talk to the statistics. I think they are basically accurate: 10% in France, 2-5% in most Western European countries, zero in Eastern Europe, and a certain number in Britain but outnumbered by immigrants of other origins (Indians, West Indians, Christian Africans, not to mention other Europeans&#8230;). The number of Muslims will increase over the next 40 years but will not be overwhelming.</p>
<p>There is clearly a strong, perhaps growing, cultural divide between European “natives” and European Muslims. Muslims are more conservative on the whole, somewhat like Hispanics in the United States but the difference is definitely more pronounced. I am not convinced Muslims are radicalizing. In France and Italy, the places where Muslims now live used to be poor working-class white areas. These areas tended to vote Communist (20-40% of the vote in France and Italy used to be Communist). I don’t see even the beginnings of mass political radicalization among European Muslims despite the fact they live in if anything more difficult circumstances. I actually would like more radical politics, not Islamist, but <a href="http://www.indigenes-republique.fr/">perhaps more of France’s anticolonial <em>Indigènes de la République</em></a>, its answer to America’s Black Power movement.</p>
<p><img class="alignright size-large wp-image-6205" src="http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/eu-right-turn-374x450.jpg" alt="" width="299" height="360" />I am not convinced European countries are fully capable of accepting Muslims as equals and integrating them. Many Europeans seem to think the immigrant can and must <em>integrate first</em> before he is allowed to have the same job, have his children go to a decent school, or move into a nice area. It’s obviously a chicken and egg thing but many people aren’t able to accept this.</p>
<p>The climate and discourse in France in particular is getting pretty scary, the <em>Front National</em> acquiring a veneer of respectability and professionalism, and Sarkozy’s center-right actually embracing its anti-Muslim discourse. E.g.: the burqa ban, the “polygamous welfare-frauds” (our “welfare queens”), the ridiculous “Debate on National Identity,” openly racist statements by ministers (quote “too many Muslims”). It is quite depressing.</p>
<p>Europeans have demons sleeping inside them, like every other human being in the world. But our history has meant our demons came out in a horrifying way. Less than 70 years ago we slaughtered as many Jews and Roma we could get our hands on in a fit of organized psychosis and industrialized murder. Less than 20 years ago some Europeans decided there were “too many Muslims” and that there was only one solution to this “problem.” It’s something worth worrying about. We live in what are, even with the recession, relatively good and peaceful times. I worry for the Muslims if we ever started having really serious economic and social difficulties in Europe.</p>
<h3>Back to the Future</h3>
<p><strong>Many pundits don’t like to put their money where they mouth is. Though I’m sure you’re not that type, feel free to confirm it by making a few falsifiable predictions about Europe&#8217;s future. After a few years, we’ll see if you were worth listening to.</strong></p>
<p>Oh dear, I’ll have a crack at it:</p>
<ul>
<li>No significant additional integration until 2020 or even 2025. No significant “rolling back” either however.</li>
<li>The Eurozone survives and expands to several Eastern European countries by 2020. Britain does not join.</li>
<li>The cultural divorce between Britain and the continent will grow. It will perhaps become insurmountable if Scotland acquires its independence. Britain will stay inside the EU however albeit with its continued semi-obstructive “yes-but-no” denialism.</li>
<li>The European economy will have near-zero growth in the coming decades for demographic reasons, productivity will continue to rise, its technological leadership will continue, and its overall size might increase if enlargement continues.</li>
<li>Turkey will not join before at least 2035, if ever. Most of the Balkans will have joined by then.</li>
<li>Socialism will not make a significant return barring an even more serious economic crisis. Social equity in Europe will decline somewhat, but not as much as in America.</li>
<li>Race relations will get worse.</li>
<li>European leaders will continue to be wholly materially and psychologically dependent on the Americans. They will not develop an independent foreign policy or a “common” foreign policy.</li>
<li>The socio-economic gap between the US and Europe will grow, as will the cultural one on abortion, gay rights, militarism and the like.</li>
<li>“European politics” will very slowly but surely emerge as interdependence becomes more glaring, the use of English spreads, and the Union is democratized. It’s an apparently undetectable process, like tectonic plates moving, but you can very clearly see the trend decade on decade.</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>What are your future blogging plans?</strong></p>
<p>I plan on continuing with <a href="http://euroletters.wordpress.com/2011/05/11/barnier-there-can-only-be-one-eu-president/"><em>Letters from Europe</em></a> but am also looking to start much more semi-professional and collaborative blogging.</p>
<p>These include revamping <a href="http://futurechallenges.org/web/guest/home"><em>Future Challenges</em></a>, a blogging platform on long-term trends funded by the Bertelsmann Stiftung. As its Western Europe editor, I’m hoping to turn it into the standard for analyzing the continent&#8217;s long-term trends on energy, demographics, migration and economics.</p>
<p>I’m also involved with <a href="http://www.bloggingportal.eu/">bloggingportal.eu</a>, a very useful aggregator that brings together the sleepy world of EU bloggers. Its readership is not incredibly high, but it includes a fair number of prominent EU journalists and communications professionals. I highly recommend you sign up to its daily RSS of best posts from the EU blogosphere (a very good filter).</p>
<p>Finally, I’m thinking of launching some sort of multilingual pan-European blog. It’s still a little sketchy but it would involve something like national-oriented bloggers writing in German or French (and thus it being possible to get reasonable audiences, unlike for EU-centric blogs) while also translating these posts systematically into an English main feed. You’d then have overlapping global, EU and national audiences. I don’t know if it can work but my dream would be a cross between <a href="http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/index.html">Glenn Greenwald</a> (God bless him) and <em>Fistful of Euros</em>.</p>
<p>Arthur Miller once said “a good newspaper is a nation talking to itself.” I think that is true. Currently, even European leaders don’t read each others’ newspapers. They <a href="http://euroletters.wordpress.com/2011/04/30/does-%E2%80%9Ceuropean-journalism%E2%80%9D-exist-guest-post/">discover themselves and their continent</a>, collectively, through the pages of <em>The Economist</em>, the <em>Wall Street Journal</em> and the <em>Financial Times</em>. Besides the particular political agenda of these publications, there is something wrong here in having the “continental conversation” through media that are either foreign or from not the most committed European country. Besides that, Europe is hardly their main focus. I hope to contribute in a small way to creating that infamous “European public space”.</p>
<p><strong>I wish you the best of luck in that endeavor, Craig, and thank you for answering S/O&#8217;s questions!</strong></p>
<p>As I said at the start, I&#8217;m planning to revive the <a href="http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/2010/07/28/russia-watchers-in-their-own-words/">Watching the Russia Watchers</a> (and interesting others) series again in the next few days, carrying on from the interviews with <a href="http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/2010/07/28/interview-a-good-treaty/">Kevin Rochrock</a> (A Good Treaty) and <a href="http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/2010/08/09/interview-peter-lavelle/">Peter Lavelle</a> (Russia Today) last year.</p>
<p>If you wish me to interview you or another Russia watcher, feel free to <a href="http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/contact/">contact me</a>.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[The next installment of our Watching the Russia Watchers series at S/O features an interview with Peter Lavelle, the main political analyst at the Russia Today TV network, host of its CrossTalk debate show and Untimely Thoughts blogger. (He also &#8230; <a class="more-link" href="http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/2010/08/09/interview-peter-lavelle/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-5012" src="http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/peter-lavelle-199x300.jpg" alt="" width="199" height="300" />The next installment of our <a href="http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/2010/07/28/russia-watchers-in-their-own-words/">Watching the Russia Watchers</a> series at S/O features an interview with Peter Lavelle, the main political analyst at the <a href="http://rt.com/">Russia Today</a> TV network, host of its <a href="http://rt.com/About_Us/Programmes/CrossTalk/">CrossTalk</a> debate show and <a href="http://rt.com/About_Us/Blogs/Untimely_Thoughts.html">Untimely Thoughts</a> blogger. (He also has <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Lavelle">a Wikipedia page</a>!) Peter is opposed to Western media hegemony, considering it neither fair nor useful, and firmly believes that global media should feature a diversity of voices from all cultural traditions; as such, the rise of alternate forums such as Al Jazeera and Russia Today are a boon for media consumers everywhere. Peter Lavelle actualizes this philosophy in his own CrossTalk program, in which controversial topics from France&#8217;s <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3ZdaTC4mdo">burqa ban</a> to the collapse of <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usiu_EefUow">Soviet Amerika</a> are discussed: agree with him or not, one can certainly never get bored listening. The serious Russia watcher is recommended to join his <a href="http://groups.google.com/group/Untimely_Thoughts_An_Expert_Discussion_Group_on_Russia">&#8220;Untimely Thoughts&#8221; &#8211; Expert Discussion Group on Russia</a>.</p>
<h3>Peter Lavelle: In His Own Words&#8230;</h3>
<p><strong>What first sparked your interest in journalism and Russia, and how did the twain meet?</strong></p>
<p>The reason I started to write about Russia &#8211; circa 1999 &#8211; came about for two reasons. First, having an education in Eastern European and Russian history gave me a reason to write about where I lived. I didn&#8217;t like much of what the commentariat was writing on contemporary Russia. The second reason was to earn some money, which later led to needing to make a living.</p>
<p>I came to Russia to live in late 1997. I was employed as an equity analyst at what was then called Alfa Capital. I was lured to Russia by my former boss (an American) I worked with in Poland. I never wanted to move to Russia &#8211; actually I must say I was rather adverse to Russia, having lived in eastern Europe for about 12 years. As a result of the financial crisis of 1998, I was given a generous severance package. This allowed me to stay in Russia for a while without worrying too much about money. In spring of 2000 I started to work for a small Russian bank. The money wasn’t great, but at least the bank organized and paid for my visa. Plus, I had time to write now and then. It was at this time I discovered the JRL &#8211; <a href="http://www.cdi.org/russia/johnson/default.cfm">Johnson’s Russia List</a>. I have been hooked on (even an addict to) Russia watching ever since.</p>
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<p>So you ask &#8220;how did the twain meet?&#8221; I was furious with what some journalists passed off as serious analysis and commentary on Russia and I was given opportunities to express myself as a corrective to what I thought was awful journalism. The synthesis is me today (and not just regarding Russia).</p>
<p>My first stop was the Russia Journal. It wasn’t much of a newspaper, but I sure did write a lot for it and really enjoyed it. Then UPI’s former Moscow bureau chief asked me to come on board as a stringer &#8211; I was thrilled. That was the first time I called myself a journalist.</p>
<p>Later, I wrote for Asia Times Online and &#8211; yes! &#8211; for Radio FreeEurope/Radio Liberty. Being published in &#8220;Current History&#8221; was also a special benchmark for me as a journalist.</p>
<p>This was also the first time I started butting heads with the commentariat. I would like to point out that this is way before I had anything to do with Russian state (funded) media. Please remember my Untimely Thoughts newsletter was going full blast during all of this.</p>
<p>And for all those interested: I started to work at RIAN (2005) becauseI was tired of the &#8220;slave wages&#8221; UPI was paying and for problems associated with getting a new visa. Thus, I had very practical reasons to make this move.</p>
<p>It is simply not true I went to RIAN (later RT) due to “ideological” motivations. I had already settled in Russia and wanted to stay settled. My journalism in front of a camera today differs little from the journalism I practiced in print years before RT came into existence.</p>
<p><strong>What were your best and worst experiences as a Russia journalist?</strong></p>
<p><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-5013" src="http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/western-media-objectivity-222x300.jpg" alt="" width="222" height="300" />The highlight of my career to date in journalism, in which I include television, was covering Georgia’s aggression against South Ossetia in August 2008. I was in the news studio hour after hour, day in and day out. I lived on cigarettes and coffee, and with very little sleep. Watching such a story from the start and unfold was exhilarating. I am proud to say RT did an excellent job and that we at RT got the story right from the beginning when other news outlets either got it wrong or played catch-up (following RT’s lead of course!).</p>
<p>Having my own television program (aired three times a week) remains a great highlight. I dreamed (or day dreamed) of having such an opportunity at a very early age watching the Sunday political chat shows in the US. So dreams can come true, I suppose.</p>
<p>What is my worst experience? This will surprise you: not getting paid for my work. I have lost count of the number of articles I wrote without being compensated when I was still in print journalism. Today I can write for media outlets without asking for compensation &#8211; a wonderful position to be in.</p>
<p>I would like to also mention that while not directly under the category of “worst experience” I can say an on-going “unpleasant experience” is being called “Putin’s mouth piece” or the “Kremlin’s tool.” I speak my mind, I have always done this. Anyone acquainted with my long lost friend &#8211; my Untimely Thoughts newsletter &#8211; knows I have changed very little over the years. Television has not changed me; it has only allowed me to amplify my worldview.</p>
<p><strong>Who are the best Russia commentators? Who are the worst?</strong></p>
<p>Who are the best? There are some really great ones &#8211; ones that come to mind immediately: Patrick Armstrong, Vlad Sobell, Thomas Graham, Eugene Ivanov, Dale Herspring, Stephen Cohen, Paul Sauders, Dmitry Sims, Anatol Lieven, Mary Dejevsky, and Chris Weafer (and of course you Anatoly!).</p>
<p>Who are the worst? I think it is pointless to answer this question. Among the commentariat there is a small cottage industry that regularly condemns me &#8211; everyone reading this interview knows who I am referring to. To this day not one aspersion said or written about me warrants my reply. These are small minded people and most of them are journalists because they lack the ability and talent to do anything else. These are the worst kind of people &#8211; they get along by going along. When it comes to writing about Russia, the majority of them don&#8217;t have the guts to stand alone and speak up.</p>
<p><strong>What is your favourite place in Russia? Is there anywhere you haven’t been yet, but would love to visit?</strong></p>
<p>I love and hate Moscow! Moscow is my home so I make the best of it. Because of my CrossTalk program, I very rarely travel anymore. In fact, I have seen very little of this vast country. I have visited various cities between Moscow and St Petersburg and down south as far as Chechnya. By my own admission, I should be better travelled after so many years. I am still hoping to make it to Vladivostok.</p>
<p><strong>If you could recommend one book about Russia, what would it be?</strong></p>
<p>Martin Malia&#8217;s &#8220;Russia under Western Eyes&#8221; [<strong>AK</strong>: <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0674002105?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=subliobliv-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0674002105"><em>Click to buy</em></a>] &#8211; I can’t remember how many times I have read this great tome, but each time I do I learn something new to reflect upon.</p>
<p><strong>Do you think today&#8217;s Russian media environment is better than in 1999? The late 1980&#8242;s? Are Russian journalists freer or safer than they were before?</strong></p>
<p>Comparing Russian media of the 80’s to the 90s to the 00s is not very constructive. The ending of Soviet era censorship was a great moment for Russians and Russian society. Some embraced honest and professional journalism; others practiced this trade with regrettable irresponsibility.</p>
<p>The way I look at Russia’s media transition &#8211; and the journey is long from over &#8211; is through the prism of business models. In the 80s the state’s monopoly had to be broken and eventually was. In the 90s the oligarchs divided up among themselves huge media empires – none ofwhich had any interest in real journalism or the social good. These media empires were political tools that terribly damaged journalism as a trade, profession, the political environment and even the world of business.</p>
<p>Since about 2000 (circa Putin), media in Russia is very much a business and a very profitable one at that! Today media caters more to audience interests and tastes &#8211; mostly entertainment (particularly when it comes to television). Is this good? Does this make a better society? Are people well enough informed? On the whole I don’t see Russian media being all that different from other media markets in the world. Russians &#8211; like their global counterparts &#8211; are well enough informed about their environment to make rational decisions about their lives. There is plenty of diversity, though one has to make an effort to satisfy interests beyond Russia&#8217;s mainstream.</p>
<p>As for the safety of journalists in Russia: this is a very painful and even shameful state of affairs. The police and judiciary need to do much more for journalists. Their inability to prosecute those behind high profile murders hurts journalism as a profession and public trust in state authorities.</p>
<p>Also, I want to point out that journalists are killed more likely because of &#8220;kompromat&#8221; being investigated or written about someone else’s money &#8211; not politics in its normative sense. In Russia money is everything &#8211; politics is a sideshow that amuses Russia’s hopelessly retarded liberal intelligentsia.</p>
<p><strong>On balance, do you think Putinism was good or bad for Russia? (Try not to sit on the fence here).</strong></p>
<p>I don’t like the term “Putinism.” There is no such “ism.” Russia is going through what I call the “post-soviet purgatory” &#8211; and doing well at that by my estimation, considering the other post-soviet states.</p>
<p><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-5014" src="http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/putin-rocks-239x300.jpg" alt="" width="239" height="300" />Vladimir Putin is the best thing to happen to Russia in its modern history &#8211; he is a rational person and a true patriot. Because of Putin, Russians are freer and richer now than any time since the Russian state came into existence centuries ago. Putin saved the Russian state from thieving oligarchs and their highly paid western advisors. Putin reconstructed the Russian state, was behind the creation of a middle class, and Russia’s dignified turn to the world stage. And he rightfully fought terrorism in the Caucasus when the West hoped for the slow and painful collapse of the Russian state in the wake of the Soviet collapse.</p>
<p>Putin is also the indirect creation of western hubris and the gross irresponsibility of Russia’s self-hating cappuccino-drinking liberals. Russia doesn’t need to be lectured by an outrageously hypocritical West, especially American posturing. Putin is the antithesis of Western hypocrisy and history will be very kind to him. Russians give him a lot of credit and he deserves it.</p>
<p><strong>How will Russia-West relations be affected by Obama&#8217;s &#8220;reset&#8221; policy and Medvedev&#8217;s new emphasis on modernization? Which was the main party responsible for their deterioration in the first place?</strong></p>
<p>The so-called “re-set” is a media strategy and in a sense a fraud &#8211; it has nothing to do with reality or political facts on the ground. Washington caved to reality &#8211; the American empire is collapsing. To slow the inevitable, Washington needs Moscow’s help. Out of self-interest Russia is willing to engage Obama. Pragmatic Russia today is helping Soviet Amerika out of a mess of its own making.</p>
<p>Most of the world’s problems can’t be resolved without Russia’s involvement – Washington now acknowledges this. Moscow does not give a hoot about Obama or the US. What Moscow does care about is how the world will evolve as the US deals with its own and much needed, but rarely spoken about, perestroika. The US is in decline and Russia (along with the emerging world) is readying itself for the inevitable paradigm shift.</p>
<p>Lastly, Russia and the US are not enemies, but they are competitors at times. Competition is good for both countries – even when dealing with common problems facing the world.</p>
<p><strong>If you could advise the Russian government to do one thing it isn’t already doing, what would it be?</strong></p>
<p>The Russian government claims it is fighting corruption (and there are signs of this), but it is not doing nearly enough. If Russia is to modernize itself to be competitive in the global marketplace, then it must to do more to fight this cancer. If this is not done, then history will pass Russia by.</p>
<h3>HARD Talk* with Peter Lavelle</h3>
<p><strong>ANATOLY KARLIN</strong>: You are a fierce critic of US policy towards the Muslim world, and its enabling of Israeli expansionism and <a href="http://rt.com/About_Us/Blogs/Untimely_Thoughts/challenging-the-western-media-hegemony.html" target="_blank">sidelining of dissenters</a> like <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b42FJwydOCY">Robert Fisk</a> and <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLB8DfhnJD0">Norman Finkelstein</a>. First, could you please expound on the similarities between Russophobia and Islamophobia? Second, why are Israeli policies towards the Palestinians / Hamas worse than Russia’s towards the Chechens / Caucasus Emirate?</p>
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<p><strong>PETER LAVELLE</strong>: First of all, I don&#8217;t like the terms Russophobia and Islamophobia &#8211; both terms are emotive and lack precision. That said, it is obvious that Russia and Islam today serve as the West&#8217;s “other” &#8211; meaning both are feared because they are different and will not submit. It is the highest form of hubris on the part of the West to believe (even demand) that everyone in the world should be like the West. The fact is many in the world simply don&#8217;t want this. They want good education, health care, prosperity, etc., but not necessarily Western values and certainly not Western (read: American) militarism. This really annoys the West, particularly poorly educated and poorly informed Americans.</p>
<p>Russia sees itself as its own unique civilization. This may or may not be true, but many Russians seem to think so. Islam is obviously a civilization different from the West. Islam is experiencing a resurgence and a great deal of this resurgence is the rejection that Muslims must become more like American, Europeans, etc. I blame Western mainstream media for misleading Western audiences about Islam and the Muslim world. Tragically this is part of the grossly one-sided reporting when it comes to Israel and Greater Middle East politics.</p>
<p>Russia is terribly misinterpreted and misunderstood in the West. Russia is presented as the loser in the Cold War and thus should act as a defeated power. Russia refuses to do this. This infuriates many in the West. The fact is Russia and Russians liberated themselves from communism! According to the Western discourse regarding history, Russia is not repenting for the past, thus it still must be the enemy. The good news is Russia is a political fact on the ground and the West has no choice but to do business with it.</p>
<p>You ask: why are Israeli policies towards the Palestinians / Hamas worse than Russia’s towards the Chechens / Caucasus Emirate? You are asking me to compare apples with cement bricks!</p>
<p>The Israelis threw the Palestinians off their land and deny them their own state. Chechens have their republic within the Russian Federation, which is generously supported by the federal government.</p>
<p>Palestinians are less than second class citizens in Palestine, Chechens have the same rights as any other Russian citizen. Israel is a zionist state; Russia is a secular state protecting the religious rights of all citizens. Hamas was democratically elected; the Caucasus Emirate was not elected by anyone.</p>
<p>I could easily go on. As you can see I don&#8217;t see there is much of a comparison.</p>
<p><strong>ANATOLY KARLIN</strong>: In my question to you about Russia-US relations, you claim the &#8220;American empire is collapsing&#8221; and allude to &#8220;Soviet Amerika&#8221; (that&#8217;s even <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usiu_EefUow" target="_blank">the title of one</a> your Crosstalk programs). Now it&#8217;s no secret that the United States has its share of problems: an overstretched military, awning budget deficits, etc. Nonetheless, we need some perspective. The US economy is still much larger than that of its nearest competitor, China (which has lots of bad loans and will be devastated if it were to pull the plug on its prime export market). The Eurozone may already be on the verge of unraveling. As for Russia, its GDP is an order of magnitude smaller than America&#8217;s.</p>
<p>So is it then reasonable to speculate about the collapse of Pax Americana, considering its current strength and the problems afflicting potential rivals? If it does collapse, which country or bloc will take its place, if any? Finally, have you heard of Dmitry Orlov&#8217;s idea of &#8220;<a href="http://www.energybulletin.net/node/23259" target="_blank">the Collapse Gap</a>&#8221; between the USSR and America today?</p>
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<p><strong>PETER LAVELLE</strong>: Yes, I have come across Orlov&#8217;s work and remain skeptical – he simply wants to the US to collapse. Everything you point out in your question is correct about the US. But you left out one important issue – the current weakness of America&#8217;s democracy. There is no political will in America to live within the country&#8217;s means. No one wants to sacrifice – and so many want too much without paying for it. This cannot last much longer – a couple of decades at best. America simply cannot maintain a global empire and prosperity at home. The only card up America&#8217;s sleeve is the dollar at the moment, but there is every indication that it will be replaced by a basket of currencies by mid-century.</p>
<p>Who will lead in the wake of America&#8217;s inevitable retreat? Hopefully the world will truly become multi-polar. Such a world is better for all of humanity. Multipolarity is better suited to dealing with issues such as climate change, food and energy security, non-proliferation, dealing with HIV/AIDs, etc. Today the world has to wait on all these issues because the US is very often the greatest barrier to positive change in world.</p>
<p><strong>ANATOLY KARLIN</strong>: You say that you’re not a paid shill because you are quite sincere in your beliefs: you’re not “the man who $old his homeland”, <a href="http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=9569252141" target="_blank">as alleged by</a> Russia Today’s (RT) former Tbilisi correspondant William Dunbar**. That may be so.</p>
<p>Nonetheless, many observers <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/dec/18/russia-today-propaganda-ad-blitz" target="_blank">believe</a> you and RT are hardly free of the same biases that you claim pervade the Western MSM. Though <a href="http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=906130" target="_blank">accusing you</a> of being a “latter-day Lord Haw Haw” is surely extreme (as well as a <em>reductio ad hitlerum</em>), the perception definitely exists that <a href="http://rt.com/About_Us/Blogs/Untimely_Thoughts/whose-news-is-it-anyway.html" target="_blank">what you call</a> “challenging the Western media hegemony” is really just a euphemism for pushing Kremlin spin on unwitting Westerners.</p>
<p>First, do you think this is a valid argument? (If you use <a href="http://edwardlucas.blogspot.com/2008/02/whataboutism.html" target="_blank">the “whataboutism” response</a>, e.g. but the Western media is controlled too!, explain why you think that justifies Russia doing the same.) Second, if you still insist that you’re not beholden to the Kremlin, could you make three criticisms of the Medvedev-Putin tandem?</p>
<p><strong>PETER LAVELLE</strong>: I knew William Dunbar and know a few of the details connected to his departure from RT. He is entitled to his opinion, though they are not opinions I agree with. Indeed, he does claim I am “the man who $old his homeland.” This only informs me that he knows little about me and my opinions.</p>
<p>So I will answer my critics on the compensation issue. Yes, I live a comfortable life in Moscow as far as a journalist is concerned, but that is not saying much these days! I am compensated because my work is hard, presenting truly alternative viewpoints, and promoting the station &#8211; no different from other television professionals around the world.</p>
<p>What does it mean to sell out one&#8217;s homeland? I am American and proud of it. Being American allows me to dissent – and I dissent all the time! RT allows me to do this when most western media outlets could never dream of giving a journalist so much free space. My program CrossTalk is my creation and I am very thankful RT management supports me. I decide the program&#8217;s topics and approve guests. I inform my boss what I am doing; I don&#8217;t ask for permission.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t care what some disgruntled RT employee has to say about me. The same applies to others in the commentariat because their lack of talent or success. How often these days do I openly attack my critics? The answer is that I don&#8217;t. I am attacked and vilified because of my employer, but not my message. That is cheap.</p>
<p>I do not speak for RT &#8211; I can only speak for myself and my work at the television station. And let me make it clear &#8211; I don&#8217;t alway like every story RT broadcasts. At the same time I will defend the station&#8217;s commitment to being different. Again being honest &#8211; some RT reports are a bit over the top. But this is a good thing in the end &#8211; we ask our audience one basic thing: Question More. We may not always get it right, but our intention is spot on.</p>
<p>As far as Kremlin spin-doctoring is concerned, all I can say that this assumption is laughable. I come across this accusation all the time, but after working at RT for almost 5 years I still don&#8217;t see the evidence. Does RT present the government&#8217;s point of view? Yes, of course it does (and many other viewpoints as well). But is this &#8220;Kremlin spin-doctoring&#8221;? Obviously Russia&#8217;s political elite views the world differently from let&#8217;s say the US. Why should anyone be surprised by this? Also, anyone who has watched RT will tell you that the station is not only about politics. How can non-political stories be &#8220;Kremlin spin-doctoring&#8221;? RT wants to be and is competitive. This is because it is consciously different from its competitors.</p>
<p>RT doesn&#8217;t do the same. It is part of my job to watch the competition. I watch CNN, BBC, and Al Jazeera. CNN and BBC are wildly one-sided on most global issues compared to RT. Where I work you can come across opinions never heard by RT&#8217;s competitors. I give Al Jazeera very high points for its coverage of the Greater Middle East (though not its Russia coverage). Thus, I have no need to use the &#8220;whataboutism&#8221; argument.</p>
<p>You want me to prove that I am not the Kremlin&#8217;s slave and live to talk about it! I welcome this opportunity. You asked for 3 examples, well I will give you 10. Over the past 10 years Russia&#8217;s leading politicians haven&#8217;t done enough regarding:</p>
<ol>
<li>Corruption at all levels.</li>
<li>Support of the older generation (pensions).</li>
<li>Repair of and construction of new infrastructure.</li>
<li>Support of small and medium size businesses.</li>
<li>Development of political parties.</li>
<li>Promotion of civil society&#8217;s role in solving social problems.</li>
<li>Over reliance on the oil and natural gas sectors.</li>
<li>Introduction of a volunteer-only military and military reform in general.</li>
<li>Finding justice in so-called high-profile murders.</li>
<li>The lack of competition in the marketplace.</li>
</ol>
<p>I could easily go on. Russia has a lot of problems, no different from ALL OTHER countries in the world.</p>
<p><strong>ANATOLY KARLIN</strong>: Global warming [deniers / skeptics] (delete as needed) like <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdTYxis6UZ0" target="_blank">Alex Jones</a>, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anHuOAXIl0M" target="_blank">Piers Corbyn</a> and <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKrw6ih8Gto" target="_blank">Chris Monckton</a> – all with fairly minimal scientific credentials – get prominent coverage at RT. The entire topic of anthropogenic global warming (AGW) is <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAvpH-dOP5A" target="_blank">treated as a debate</a> in which either side has yet to prove its case.</p>
<p>However, in the real world, there <strong>is</strong> a consensus: <a href="http://norvig.com/oreskes.html">in a 2004 study</a>, Naomi Oreskes concluded that 75% of papers backed the AGW view, while none directly dissented from it. (And the <a href="http://climateprogress.org/2009/02/23/mit-doubles-global-warming-projections/" target="_blank">latest studies</a> are <a href="http://aaas.confex.com/aaas/2010/webprogram/Paper1639.html" target="_blank">almost always</a> more pessimistic about <a href="http://climateprogress.org/2009/02/23/mit-doubles-global-warming-projections/" target="_blank">the magnitude</a> of future warming than “previously expected”.) Given the sheer amount of evidence in favor of AGW, it seems strange to put a hereditary aristocrat <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/blog/2009/dec/11/monckton-calls-activists-hitler-youth" target="_blank">who calls his</a> opponents “Hitler Youth” and <a href="http://climateprogress.org/2010/06/07/lord-monckton-debunked-global-warming/" target="_blank">organizes</a> witch hunts on the same pedestal as climate scientists. Even though more Americans believe in creationism than in evolution, news channels don&#8217;t normally give equal weight to both sides in that &#8220;debate&#8221;, do they?</p>
<p>So I’m at a loss how to explain this. Does RT want to get the scoop on the Western media, even at the cost of its own credibility? Or were you guys told to spin up Climategate because global warming is expected to benefit Russia? Or do you really believe that the AGW “debate” is still far from “settled”?</p>
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<p><strong>PETER LAVELLE</strong>: Again you are asking me to speak for RT &#8211; I am not RT&#8217;s spokesperson. And to be frank, I find your &#8220;Or were you guys told to spin up Climategate&#8230;&#8221; insulting. The fact is many of our viewers are interested in climate change. RT follows its viewers.</p>
<p>Nonetheless, I am glad you ask about AGW. I have done two programs on the subject – a topic I want to learn more about. I have no problem having Piers Corbryn and Chris Monckton on my program. Could you debate them? My other guests were actually quite keen to debate them. Let me be clear about something: RT gets credibility because it gives air time to different voices. And you are right, there really is no debate on American television. That can&#8217;t be said about my CrossTalk program and RT. Speaking about different voices: I may be one of the most prominent backers of dissent in the world of television today! I am proud of that.</p>
<p><strong>ANATOLY KARLIN</strong>: Thank you for answering four very HARD questions. I&#8217;ll go easy on the last one. As you told us earlier in the interview, you dreamed of having your own TV program from an early age. Your wish came true. There are many who share your dream. Some of them might even be reading this interview! What advice would you give them on becoming a made man or woman in journalism? (The mafia reference isn’t entirely whimsical: from a distance, the profession does appear distinctly cliquish.)</p>
<p><strong>PETER LAVELLE</strong>: This is the hardest question of all. All I can say is if you really want to be a journalist (including a TV journalist) you have to make a huge commitment. The competition is enormous and at times talented. Be different because you really are – not because being different might sell. Start blogging and pitching your material. Be prepared for rejection &#8211; many times over before things start to happen. Stay away from attacking individuals &#8211; staying with your convictions will be enough. Don&#8217;t try to become famous, that will come with hard work and honest and fair beliefs. Be willing to learn from others. And lastly stay away from journalists &#8211; a caste of people who, for the most part, aren&#8217;t worth even having a cup of coffee with.</p>
<h3>Back to the Future</h3>
<p><strong>Many Russia watchers don’t like to put their money where they mouth is. Though I’m sure you’re not the type, feel free to confirm it by making a few </strong><em><strong>falsifiable</strong></em><strong> predictions about Russia’s future. After a few years, we’ll see if you were worth listening to.</strong></p>
<p>Ok, Peter Lavelle&#8217;s predictions:</p>
<ul>
<li>The current tandem will rule for the foreseable future &#8211; which is a good thing.</li>
<li>The next election cycle will go smoothly &#8211; parliamentary and presidential. Fingers crossed Russia&#8217;s political parties will mature some.</li>
<li>Russia will continue to recover and grow during the on-going global slump. If the US and Europe experience another turn-down, Russia will be spared.</li>
<li>Over the next few years, Russia and its eastern European neighbors will continue a robust process of reconciliation.</li>
<li>Russia will have to step in to play a greater role in the Greater Middle East as Washington is anything but a fair broker.</li>
<li>Russia will not continue down the path of pressuring Iran regarding Tehran&#8217;s nuclear program &#8211; Russia-US relations again will be strained (though nothing like during the Bush years).</li>
<li>Russia will continue to expand its influence in the Western Hemisphere, though not as a direct competitor to the US.</li>
<li>NATO will start to seriously listen to Russia (as most European capitals will pretend they have never heard of Saak!).</li>
<li>Mainstream western media will continue to get Russia wrong — that is an easy preduction!</li>
<li>Eventually, Putin will be blamed for the oil spill in the Gulf and creating the HIV/AIDS virus.</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Do you plan to revive your </strong><em><strong>Untimely Thoughts</strong></em><strong> blog? Could you throw us a bone about any other projects you may have in the works?</strong></p>
<p>What about the future? I am having a new website created to mirror my CrossTalk program. There, I intend to return to blogging in a big way in September.</p>
<p>Anatoly, thanks for the interview!</p>
<p><strong>And thank you too, Peter, for a brilliant interview that gives fans and critics alike a lot to chew on!</strong></p>
<p>If you wish me to interview you or another Russia watcher, feel free to <a href="http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/contact/">contact me</a>.</p>
<p>* <strong>A note on HARD Talk</strong>: My job as an interviewer is be a contrarian and even a &#8220;devil&#8217;s advocate&#8221; of sorts; to air common, common-sense or germane criticisms of the interviewee&#8217;s arguments and worldview, REGARDLESS of what my opinions might or might not be. (For instance, though I criticized Peter Lavelle&#8217;s views on the collapse of &#8220;Soviet Amerika&#8221;, I&#8217;ve made the same arguments on this very site: e.g. see <a href="http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/2009/02/26/usa_ussr_equal/">here</a>, <a href="http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/2009/09/19/shifting-winds/">here</a>). I hope this clarifies things for the angry person who wrote me the email accusing me of Russophobia (LOL) in my HARD Talk <a href="http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/2010/07/28/interview-a-good-treaty/">with A Good Treaty</a>.</p>
<p>** <strong>UPDATE August 14, 2010</strong>: William Dunbar has since deleted <a href="http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:QemQR-ZyWQcJ:www.facebook.com/group.php%3Fgid%3D9569252141%26v%3Dwall+%22william+dunbar%22+%22Please+don't+become+Peter+Lavelle!!!%22&amp;cd=1&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;gl=us">his only comment</a> at that Facebook Group, which is reproduced below:</p>
<blockquote><p>William Dunbar: hi, i just resigned from RT because i was being censored about georgia, i was the tbilisi correspondent. i have to say this is among the best groups i have ever seen on facebook. peter used to have a profile, i guess he left because it was another example of the double standards of the biased western media&#8230; or maybe putin prefers myspace</p></blockquote>
<p>After I contacted him, Dunbar said that 1) he never alleged that Peter Lavelle is &#8220;“the man who $old his homeland” and that he left <a href="http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=9569252141">the Facebook group</a> after reading this interview, 2) the last sentence is an inside joke between Dunbar and Lavelle that is &#8220;light hearted and not had absolutely nothing to do with how much Peter may or may not be paid&#8221;, and 3) he thinks that Peter Lavelle &#8220;is a true believer&#8221;, albeit his &#8220;commentary is objectionable, prejudiced and misleading.&#8221;</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kicking off the Watching the Russia Watchers interview series at S/O is the promising new blogger A Good Treaty. He is a DC-based foreign policy analyst who prefers a &#8220;good treaty with Russia&#8221; to only treating with a good Russia: as a &#8230; <a class="more-link" href="http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/2010/07/28/interview-a-good-treaty/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-4949" src="http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/putmarck-224x300.jpg" alt="" width="224" height="300" />Kicking off the <a href="http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/2010/07/28/russia-watchers-in-their-own-words/">Watching the Russia Watchers</a> interview series at S/O is the promising new blogger <a href="http://agoodtreaty.wordpress.com/"><strong>A Good Treaty</strong></a>. He is a DC-based foreign policy analyst who prefers a &#8220;good treaty with Russia&#8221; to only treating with a good Russia: as a foreign policy realist, he is averse to neocon (and neoliberal / liberal interventionist) tropes alike. A Good Treaty has a graduate degree in Soviet history and has lived in Moscow several times. His blog references Russian newspapers and makes original translations, and constitutes an excellent resource for any Anglophone seriously interested in Russian politics and Russian-American relations. You can follow Putmarck on <a href="http://twitter.com/agoodtreaty">Twitter</a>.</p>
<h3>A Good Treaty: In His Own Words&#8230;</h3>
<p>Before answering any questions, let me take a second to thank Anatoly Karlin of Sublime Oblivion for taking the time to draft some very challenging questions that were very fun to (try to) answer. I tried to invent responses that were equally thought-provoking, and while I may have failed in that enterprise, I do hope to explain a little bit about the way I approach this work, which occupies a startling amount of my time.</p>
<p><strong>Why did you start blogging about Russia?</strong></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been studying and working on Russia for about nine years now. Russia = bizarre, alluring, etc. I figure anyone reading my blog shares my interest in the Motherland.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t expect this blog to have any impact on public policy or academic debate, but I do personally benefit a great deal from having a forum through which I can better synthesize my own ideas and listen to the responses of others.</p>
<p>The specific angle of AGT (the whole &#8216;realist&#8217; POV) was a conscious decision I made after working in Washington for about a year. Democracy promotion, I soon discovered, has really supplanted all other approaches to foreign policy. Speaking outside this framework is the easiest way to get oneself painted as un-American and pro-dictatorship. This is largely a sham, since the United States has hardly stopped cooperating with nasty foreign states, but the dialog carried out in DC makes it very difficult for anyone to acknowledge this. Basically, I set out to avoid the old, tired normative analysis.</p>
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<p><strong>What were your best and worst blogging experiences so far?</strong></p>
<p>The most fun I&#8217;ve had so far is writing direct responses to articles that appear in the press. Doing this, I&#8217;ve managed to gain the attention of other bloggers and journalists, which has produced some stimulating private email exchanges and led <a href="http://inosmi.ru/">InoSMI</a> to translate a few of my posts (three, so far) into Russian.</p>
<p>The worst thing about blogging is an inverse of one of its best aspects: I&#8217;m regularly reminded how many talented, bright people there are out there with my exact specialty, who are regularly producing fascinating original work, and living abroad in Moscow, which I think of as a sort of bittersweet adventure.</p>
<p><strong>What are the best blogs about Russia and the Eurasian space? What are the worst?</strong></p>
<p>Some of my favorite Russia blogs (in no particular order): Julia Ioffe&#8217;s <a href="http://trueslant.com/juliaioffe/">Moscow Diaries</a>, Mark Adomanis&#8217; <a href="http://trueslant.com/markadomanis/">On Russia</a>, <a href="http://seansrussiablog.org/">Sean&#8217;s Russia Blog</a>, <a href="http://poemless.wordpress.com/">poemless</a> (RIP &#8212; just kidding), this blog &#8212; Sublime Oblivion, <a href="http://www.therussiamonitor.com/">The Russia Monitor</a>, and <a href="http://www.scrapsofmoscow.org/">Scraps of Moscow</a>. I&#8217;ve recently started following <a href="http://democratist.wordpress.com/">Democratist</a>, <a href="http://www.dividingmytime.typepad.com/">Dividing My Time</a>, <a href="http://marknesop.wordpress.com/">The Kremlin Stooge</a>, and Neeka&#8217;s Backlog (which posts the loveliest photographs of Eastern Europe). In Russian, Maxim Kononenko at <a href="http://idiot.fm/">Idiot.fm</a> and Oleg Kashin&#8217;s <a href="http://kashin.livejournal.com/">LiveJournal</a> provide regular amusement. Evgeny Gontmakher, Medvedev&#8217;s &#8220;man on the outside,&#8221; has some amusing op-eds on <a href="http://www.echo.msk.ru/guests/18/">his &#8216;blog&#8217;</a> at Ekho Moskvy. For military affairs, I regularly turn to the following three blogs: <a href="http://russiandefpolicy.wordpress.com/">Russian Defense Policy</a>, <a href="http://go2.wordpress.com/?id=725X1342&amp;site=agoodtreaty.wordpress.com&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Frussiamil.wordpress.com%2F&amp;sref=http%3A%2F%2Fagoodtreaty.wordpress.com%2F">Russian Military Reform</a> (Dmitry Gorenburg), and <a href="http://russianforces.org/blog/">Russian Strategic Nuclear Forces</a> (Pavel Podvig).</p>
<p>The Russia blogs with which I torture myself by reading are some of the following: the LJ blogs of <a href="http://v-milov.livejournal.com/">Vladimir Milov</a>, <a href="http://vg-vg.livejournal.com/">Vasily Yakemenko</a>, and <a href="http://aillarionov.livejournal.com/">Andrey Illarionov</a>. Catherine Fitzpatrick&#8217;s <a href="http://3dblogger.typepad.com/minding_russia/">Minding Russia</a> reliably produces some of the longest, most rambling posts you&#8217;ll find online. Oleg Kozlovsky&#8217;s blogs (<a href="http://olegkozlovsky.wordpress.com/">WordPress</a> for English and <a href="http://welgar.livejournal.com/">LJ</a> for Russian) are both as boring as they are terrible. Since Oleg decided to integrate his Tweets with his LJ account, there has been five times as much garbage. Ilya Yashin&#8217;s <a href="http://yashin.livejournal.com/">LJ blog</a>, modestly titled in Spanish &#8220;El pueblo unido jamás será vencido&#8221; (A People United Will Never Be Defeated), is full of the same D-list self-promotion, but he sometimes includes photography and multimedia that makes reading his PR slightly more fun. (Also, he volunteered sordid details about an alleged threesome sex scandal that never got any corroboration beyond his own ranting. So, it can be entertaining on occasion, without a doubt.) And finally, Vladimir Kara-Murza&#8217;s blog, <a href="http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/new/blogs/kara-murza">Spotlight on Russia</a>, is another publication I love to hate for its unwavering commitment to recycling the most vapid, useless tropes about the ills of Russia.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t even bother reading <a href="http://larussophobe.wordpress.com/">La Russophobe</a>, which seems to just scrape the bottom of the <a href="http://windowoneurasia.blogspot.com/">Window on Eurasia</a> barrel &#8212; another blog I skim but lack the stomach to honestly <em>read</em>. I think LR is too much opinion without enough style. Mark Adomanis (On Russia) and Mark Chapman (The Kremlin Stooge) are also very opionated and often openly insulting, but I&#8217;m able to enjoy their stuff mainly because (a) I don&#8217;t find their opinions to be so crazy (sorry, what can I say &#8212; I love to affirm my biases), and (b) their writing is immensely better.</p>
<p><strong>What is your favourite place in Russia? Is there anywhere you haven’t been yet, but would love to visit?</strong></p>
<p><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-4953" src="http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/prole-statue.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="225" />I haven&#8217;t traveled Russia nearly enough. The farthest east I&#8217;ve been was a brief visit to Kazan&#8217;, which I thought was fascinating and beautiful. The local Kremlin there, which hosts both an Orthodox church and a mosque, has a marvelous statue out front dedicated to the world&#8217;s proletariat. Though I&#8217;m not a Marxist, the monument is awesome. Imagine Atlas breaking Ghostrider&#8217;s fire-chain in slow motion, and perhaps then you&#8217;ll understand how cool this thing is. Hell, just look at it <a href="http://www.justinprime.com/greattrainride/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/P1000087-300x225.jpg">here</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to see just about anywhere else in Russia I haven&#8217;t already been, which is most places.</p>
<p><strong>If you could recommend one book about Russia, what would it be?</strong></p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t trouble anyone with a whole book. To understand Russia&#8217;s transitional conundrum, one should begin by reading Yuri Slezkine&#8217;s 1994 article &#8220;<a href="http://www.jstor.org/pss/2501300">The USSR as a Communal Apartment, or How a Socialist State Promoted Ethnic Particularism</a>&#8220;.</p>
<p><strong>Do you think the average Russian lives better today than in 1988? 1980? 2000? Are they richer, freer or happier than before?</strong></p>
<p>My impressions from talking to Russians is that life is better now that it&#8217;s been before. It&#8217;s still pretty lousy for most people, though. (I don&#8217;t think Russia is alone in this.) Whatever the benefits of modern living, Soviet nostalgia (for geopolitical status, for scientific respect, for athletic greatness, etc.) is also a patently real political force. Material realities are important, but it&#8217;s public perceptions that ultimately make the world.</p>
<p><strong>How would you classify Russia&#8217;s political system? Is it a liberal democracy, an authoritarian regime, or a hybrid crossroads? Which current or historical political economies does it most resemble, if any?</strong></p>
<p>Every polity is at a crossroads all the time. Every society in every nation in history is also a hybrid of various trends and persuasions. Russian politicians tend to have a more statist leaning in their way of conducting affairs, but this isn&#8217;t to say Western officials aren&#8217;t entangled in comparable webs of intervention, assistance, and power brokering. I honestly find very little to be gained by pursuing any classifications like those you suggest. If we call Russia &#8216;authoritarian,&#8217; there are a thousand examples of information freedom and public debate to debunk this label. On the other hand, there are countless instances of repression to suggest that the Kremlin is indeed an authoritarian menace. Take your pick, but please leave me out of this errand.</p>
<p><strong>On balance, do you think Putinism was good or bad for Russia? (Try not to sit on the fence here).</strong></p>
<p>First of all, I don&#8217;t like the term &#8220;Putinism.&#8221; I think it gives too much ideological credit to the Putin administration, which has never bothered much with a real intellectual architecture for either the Power Vertical or United Russia. (Sorry, Surkov, but I&#8217;m just not seeing the big picture when you tell the Nashi kids to &#8216;innovate&#8217; the way to tomorrowland.) Putin consolidated power during a time of political and economic anarchy. Was that a good thing? Of course it was. Russians were deeply unhappy with Boris Yeltsin&#8217;s second term (which they were scared into granting thanks to the a spectacular PR scheme by the oligarchs), and Putin brought more than just stability to the country &#8212; he managed a period of genuine prosperity that, at the very least, benefited enough of the country&#8217;s elites that they ceased open, internecine warfare.</p>
<p>The new focus on modernization and innovation under Dmitri Medvedev, whom I believe to be a political ally and proponent of &#8220;Putinism,&#8221; is just the next phase of a process begun ten years ago. Perhaps it&#8217;s thanks to Putin&#8217;s flexible non-ideology, but I believe that he&#8217;s capable of adapting tactics to the needs of the moment. If his financial team is telling him that foreign investment is a must, it&#8217;s no shock that the Kremlin is now pursuing FDI with all its might.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not all roses with the Putin years. In 2001, Russia was 79th in Transparency International&#8217;s Corruption Perceptions Index. Last year it was tied for 146th. (Hint: higher is worse.) While we shouldn&#8217;t attach apocalyptic significance to the designation of a number by a single NGO, the general consensus is definitely that corruption has been on the rise. This is a serious problem &#8212; it&#8217;s <em>the</em> serious problem. An optimistic take might be that, as the Kremlin begins to crack down on bribes and dodgy deals, the wrongdoers are trying to exact maximum rents as long-term insurance.</p>
<p>Or maybe Putin&#8217;s own web of rent distribution is the backbone of the &#8216;legal nihilism&#8217; behind Russia&#8217;s Africa-level corruption. If that&#8217;s the case, then perhaps that way of doing business is no longer optimal. Recent overtures from Medvedev (presumably acting in agreement with Putin) suggest that the authorities are, at the very least, considering new priorities. It&#8217;s Russian politics in action.</p>
<p><strong>If you could advise the Russian government to do one thing it isn’t already doing, what would it be?</strong></p>
<p>Harassing the liberal opposition by denying them rally sites with fake counterprotests (for example, blood drives, and so on) seems to me to be a completely pointless exercise. It&#8217;s exactly this negative publicity that the opposition needs to survive, and the authorities continue to feed them this sustanance. Putin&#8217;s response, delivered to Shevchuk at the infamous luncheon exchange, was that these decisions aren&#8217;t up to him, but lie with local officials. Very well, Vladimir Vladimirovich, but why the hell don&#8217;t you get off your ass and exercise a little of that characteristic paternalism to steer your ship to calmer shores? I can only guess that the Kremlin is either unconcerned or desperately afraid &#8212; either of which seems like a stupid mindset for the leaders of the Russian Federation.</p>
<p>Additionally, I don&#8217;t see the point in squashing mayoral elections in cities across Russia. A few opposition victories by the communists or the SRs in buttfucknowhere cities is desirable! When Kondrashov won the Irkutsk spot recently, I thought &#8216;Wonderful!&#8217; A few more such incidents will not even dent United Russia&#8217;s juggernaut, and it both injects some alternative voices into national politics and serves as excellent PR for Moscow to use in the faces of people who moan about attacks on democracy. And then I heard about Kondrashov switching affiliations to register with the ruling party. And then it turned out that the regional duma was seeking to abolish mayoral elections altogether in favor of an opaque &#8216;city manager&#8217; appointment system. Again, the Kremlin and the authorities demonstrate an entirely unnecessary panic about the threat of opposition parties. If I had Putin&#8217;s or Medvedev&#8217;s ear, I&#8217;d scream into it that they need to display a bit more confidence &#8212; even if it&#8217;s in their own puppet political theater.</p>
<h3>HARD Talk with A Good Treaty</h3>
<p><strong>ANATOLY KARLIN</strong>: As I understand, you are not the biggest fan of the Russian liberal opposition. You believe their leaders kowtow to the West and couldn&#8217;t care less about the everyday concerns of ordinary Russians. But consider the case of a patriotic Russian who detests the corruption and <em>proizvol</em> (arbitrariness) of state institutions and genuinely wants to improve human rights &#8211; not just those of Khodorkovsky, but of prison inmates, conscripts, minorities, etc. What can she realistically do about it, apart from ranting about the return of neo-Soviet totalitarianism in front of foreign TV cameras?</p>
<p><strong>A GOOD TREATY</strong>: People &#8220;do&#8221; all kinds of things. Thirty-six parents and teachers in Ulyanovsk went on <a href="http://www.teachersolidarity.com/blog/hunger-strike-halts-russian-school-closures/">a week-long group hunger strike</a> to successfully protest the closure of several local schools. On the opposite end of the spectrum, a group of youths in the Far East, fed up with local law enforcement and inspired by a particularly trigger-happy version of nationalism, decided to arm itself and start attacking police officers. Some people make it their profession to work in the line of danger &#8212; people like Natalia Estemirova and Sergey Magnitsky. Others lead scholarly human rights organizations like Oleg Orlov of Memorial, dedicated to unearthing a Soviet past they believe is forgotten at Russia&#8217;s peril.</p>
<p>All of these people are patriots in their own heads, and who am I to disagree?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t begrudge the liberal opposition for ranting hyperbolisms in front of foreign TV cameras. This is half the business of being in the Russian liberal opposition, after all: (a) they need to provoke/tempt the authorities into cracking down on their rallies, otherwise nobody would ever care, and (b) they need to attract the attention of the West &#8212; for financial aid, for international connections, and for status. The liberal literati are frequent visitors to the United States &#8212; even the younger, student-&#8221;employed&#8217; members like Ilya Yashin (who recently concluded a cross-country tour of the U.S.) and Oleg Kozlovsky (who&#8217;s been Stateside for weeks and is currently attending some kind of not-at-all-propagandistic-sounding democracy workshop at Stanford University).</p>
<p>These boys are more than welcome to globetrot wherever they like, but I personally can&#8217;t help but see them as a bunch of spoiled brats, partying to their own celebrity and hopelessly out of touch with the needs of ordinary Russians. (I&#8217;ve made it a point on AGT to focus on their endless infighting in order to highlight how self-centered and oblivious they really are.)</p>
<p><strong>ANATOLY KARLIN</strong>: You noted that Oleg Kozlovsky&#8217;s rush to disassociate <em>Solidarnost&#8217;</em> from the gay rights movement, or &#8221;radical LGBT activists&#8221; <a href="http://olegkozlovsky.wordpress.com/2010/06/02/people-protest-despite-more-police-brutality/#comment-964" target="_blank">as he calls them</a>, is remarkably similar to the Kremlin&#8217;s own arguments for dismissing the Russian liberal movement: neither minority enjoys much approval from ordinary Russians (see <a href="http://agoodtreaty.wordpress.com/2010/07/02/minor-and-noncritical-issues/" target="_blank">On “Minor &amp; Non-Critical” Issues: Oleg Kozlovsky vs. Gay Rights</a>). This is an inconsistency at best; a less charitable explanation is that many Russian liberals are themselves hypocrites and homophobes.</p>
<p>But consider this from another perspective &#8211; though <a href="http://agoodtreaty.wordpress.com/about/" target="_blank">claiming to be</a> &#8220;a fan of free societies&#8221;, you insist the current Russian liberal movement is morally bankrupt and should moderate its anti-Kremlin rhetoric to be accepted by ordinary Russians. But if compromise is the key to political breakout, why should Russian liberals embrace the LGBT movement, an act that is sure to &#8220;alienate the vast majority of the population&#8221;, as Kozlovsky says, but improve neither rights of assembly nor LGBT rights? Are you not guilty of the same double standards as both Kozlovsky and the Kremlin?</p>
<p><strong>A GOOD TREATY</strong>: The leaders of the liberal opposition may be a band of egotistical creeps, but I don&#8217;t think the principles of the movement itself are necessarily bankrupt. Like with the communists, there&#8217;s an unhealthy degree of backward-looking thinking, in their case consumed primarily with nostalgia for and white-washing of the &#8216;troubled 1990s.&#8217;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think the opposition needs to &#8220;moderate its anti-Kremlin rhetoric.&#8221; Plenty of Russians are more than responsive to criticisms aimed at the authorities, and liberals from Eduard Limonov to Liudmila Alexeeva could remain prolific dissidents without abandoning their principles. Remember that even at 70% approval ratings, almost one-third of all Russians still disapproves of the political status quo.</p>
<p>What liberals would benefit from is a reappraisal of their goals. Over the last few years, they&#8217;ve moved from one fad to another. &#8216;Other Russia&#8217; to &#8216;Solidarity.&#8217; &#8216;Marchy nesoglasnikh&#8217; to &#8216;Days of Rage.&#8217; The newest campaign, &#8216;Strategy-31,&#8217; is catchy, but it likely maxed out its publicity potential with the blowup at the end of May. (We&#8217;ll see if the next one in three days proves me wrong.) As Vladimir Milov pointed out in a radio debate with Ilya Yashin, Solidarity and its various rally projects have peaked. More people just aren&#8217;t coming anymore (in fact, many seem to be leaving, he claims).</p>
<p>This, I think, has more to do with the focus (or lack thereof) of the professional liberal protesters. Everywhere they look for concrete platform ideas, they&#8217;re terrified of casting the net too narrowly. Hence, they mustn&#8217;t support the gays for fear of alienating the masses. Certain environmental causes are taken up (such as the movement to protect Lake Baikal), but it&#8217;s usually in response to local initiatives elsewhere, and it&#8217;s after the real hubbub has ended. What Moscow&#8217;s protesting &#8220;elites&#8221; typically trumpet is an unattractive medley of ad hominem attacks on national figures. So it&#8217;s &#8220;Putin v ostavku&#8221; or &#8220;Luzhkov v tiur&#8217;mu&#8221; &#8212; the Russian equivalent of Bush-era peacenik demonstrators demanding the president&#8217;s impeachment or today&#8217;s Tea Party comparing Obama&#8217;s healthcare plan to National Socialism.</p>
<p>For the individuals involved in this movement, I&#8217;ve no doubt that they think they&#8217;re speaking &#8216;truth to power.&#8217; On a superficial level, it&#8217;s certainly a pretty daring person who delights in taunting Russian OMON troops, essentially begging them for a beating and an arrest. But it&#8217;s that photogenic rush that seems to fool these folks into believing that they&#8217;re soldiers on the 21st century front against totalitarianism. When I met Oleg Kozlovsky earlier this year, he was asked if people feared for their jobs when attending rallies. His answer? Nope. Nobody gets fired for coming to these circuses. Come one, come all, to the political pageant.</p>
<p>If people like Yashin and Kozlovsky (and Milov and, I&#8217;m sure, nearly all the high profile lib leadership) want to ignore the gay rights movement for fear of endangering their popular appeal, I wonder why they can&#8217;t apply that same political sense to the rest of their activism. Either they are purists proudly pontificating from the periphery, or they&#8217;re cutthroat and calculating, and presumably seeking a way to speak to the interests and tastes of society at large. Right now, they seem to be occupying a sort of idiot&#8217;s limbo, where just about everyone has a reason to dislike them. And &#8212; what a shock &#8212; most Russians do.</p>
<p><strong>ANATOLY KARLIN</strong>: When the Feds rolled up the &#8220;extremely undangerous&#8221; Russian spy ring, <a href="http://agoodtreaty.wordpress.com/2010/06/30/not-quite-secret-agents/" target="_blank">you argued that</a> they managed to &#8220;jeopardize&#8221; an important relationship with the world&#8217;s second nuclear superpower. But STRATFOR would argue that you missed the point (see <a href="http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20100712_russian_spies_and_strategic_intelligence" target="_blank">Russian Spies and Strategic Intelligence</a>). Though Boris and Natasha failed to steal anything important, that wasn&#8217;t their goal to begin with! The traditional modus operandi of Russia&#8217;s intelligence services is to recruit young, promising Americans with potential careers in organizations like Lockheed Martin or the CIA (think <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Hanssen" target="_blank">Robert Hanssen</a> or <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aldrich_Ames" target="_blank">Aldrich Ames</a>). Unless you want foreign moles infiltrating the Homeland&#8217;s national security agencies and military-industrial complex, why would you criticize the FBI for doing its job?</p>
<p><strong><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-4954" src="http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/anna-chapman-175x300.jpg" alt="" width="175" height="300" />A GOOD TREATY</strong>: It&#8217;s funny that you mention Robert Hanssen and Aldrich Ames as examples of people at risk of being &#8216;turned&#8217; but Russian secret agents, as both these men initiated their work as spies <em>by themselves</em>. Hanssen and Ames each lived beyond their means, and apparently approached Russian embassy personnel to sell U.S. state secrets in order to cover their debts and subsidize the high life. No unregistered foreign employees were required to flip these Americans, whose volunteered treachery led in turn to the deaths of Soviet and Russian traitors working for us. If Anna Chapman or anyone from her team of &#8216;Illegals&#8217; was in a position to &#8216;flip&#8217; an important American source, it would have marked a departure from the history of U.S. sellouts, who typically defect of their own accord to registered Russian officials.</p>
<p><strong>ANATOLY KARLIN</strong>: You <a href="http://agoodtreaty.wordpress.com/about/" target="_blank">describe yourself</a> as a foreign policy realist and admire Otto von Bismarck for his political acumen. But what if American geopolitical imperatives and &#8220;a good treaty with Russia&#8221; are incompatible? Let me expound. The foundations of geopolitics are Mackinder&#8217;s <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Geographical_Pivot_of_History" target="_blank">Heartland Theory</a> and Mahan&#8217;s <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Influence_of_Sea_Power_upon_History" target="_blank">Influence of Sea Power upon History</a>. According to this view of the world, the Russian Empire seeks hegemony over the Eurasian Heartland; in direct opposition, the United States tries to prevent its emergence through geopolitical balancing, economic constriction and amphibious interventions (in what Aleksandr Dugin calls the &#8220;Anaconda Strategy&#8221;). These geopolitical dynamics colored the Cold War and are once again coming into play: even as Russia reasserts its influence over the post-Soviet world, the US is preparing to withdraw from Iraq and is building forward bases in the Balkans and expanding defense ties with Poland.</p>
<p>Two questions follow from the above. First, one of America&#8217;s great strengths is the abiding attraction of its purported democratic model. Why then isn&#8217;t then the US export its &#8220;freedom&#8221; to check Russian expansionism, and if possible undermine the Kremlin itself? (After all, if guys like Kasparov or Khodorkovsky come to power, they can be expected to participate in the &#8220;international community&#8221; / serve Western interests). Second, as a realist, why would you disagree with Mearsheimer&#8217;s argument for <a href="http://mearsheimer.uchicago.edu/pdfs/A0020.pdf" target="_blank">a Ukrainian nuclear deterrent</a>?</p>
<p><strong>A GOOD TREATY</strong>: The U.S. is withdrawing from Iraq &#8230; and doubling-down in Afghanistan. Being overstretched and unable to seriously deliver on open-ended defense pacts with Eastern European states, the White House&#8217;s rhetoric about missile defense and security investments along Russia&#8217;s western periphery is worrying, to say the least. The decision to militarize what could have functioned as a peaceful buffer zone between Russia and Europe seems to me to have been an extremely unwise decision by U.S. decision-makers. Even at the height of the Cold War, American buildup in Western Europe was met by (or in response to) Soviet maneuvers within the Warsaw Pact. It was certainly competition, but spheres of influence were generally agreed upon, and &#8212; even during the various uprisings that led to Soviet troops being deployed in 1953, 1956, and 1968 &#8212; the U.S. never threatened intervention, and any direct confrontation remained a nonfactor. In the 2008 Ossetian war, however, George W. Bush&#8217;s advisers apparently lobbied for an attack on the Roki Tunnel &#8212; an act of war that would have engaged American soldiers directly against Russian troops. That the U.S. has reached a stage where it even contemplates <em>initiating </em>military strikes against the Russian army indicates the frightening recklessness behind any worldview built upon a foundation of &#8220;America&#8217;s great strengths.&#8221;</p>
<p>Any conversation about realism is incompatible with a question that opens, &#8220;If guys like Kasparov or Khodorkovsky come to power.&#8221; That being said, Vladimir Milov compares Kasparov to the early Bolsheviks, indicating that he might not be the friendliest candidate for a job in America&#8217;s global utopia. As for Khodorkovsky, installing him in the Kremlin would theoretically only put in his hands yet more power to buy or bump off his enemies and competitors. Even in this scenario, there&#8217;s reason to assume the U.S. would not find its ideal Slavic partner.</p>
<p>In living memory, it seems Washington has really only been happy when it&#8217;s been free to call all the shots &#8212; i.e., under the administration of Boris Yeltsin. If that&#8217;s really true, American spooks should look not to the liberal elite (who likely would only use more power to fight amongst themselves), but to institutional fissures in the Russian state. Yeltsin was in large part such a swell pal because he was all too happy to sell off the kitchen sink, as long as it meant the Soviet cooking space was left without running water. &#8220;Take all the sovereignty you can swallow&#8221; he commanded initially. It was only later, after he consolidated his own authority and raked the USSR&#8217;s ashes into the garbage chute, that national determination transformed into an all-out war for territorial integrity.</p>
<p>A weak Russian state will be less assertive on the international level, but destabilizing Russia itself can and would pose devastating risks to the human beings actually living there or nearby. (Luckily for Uncle Sam, I guess, his primary constituents are well across the pond.)</p>
<p>Regarding a nuclear Ukraine: great idea, but they surrendered the last of their bombs in 1996. Moreover: not a great, but a lousy idea. Russia would never have bought the concept that an unaligned Ukrainian state could exist with or without atomic weapons. Aside from the crippled era of Boris Yeltsin, the Kremlin has never been comfortable with the premise that Ukraine exists outside its &#8220;privileged sphere.&#8221; The attraction of a buffer zone does not apply to Ukraine. If Washington had insisted on maintaining a nuclear Kiev, Moscow would have interpreted it as a direct existential threat. In other words, it would have been extremely destabilizing in an already topsy-turvy decade.</p>
<h3>Back to the Future</h3>
<p><strong>Many Russia watchers don&#8217;t like to put their money where they mouth is. Though I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;re not the type, feel free to confirm it by making a few </strong><em><strong>falsifiable</strong></em><strong> predictions about Russia&#8217;s future. After a few years, we&#8217;ll see if you were worth listening to.</strong></p>
<p><strong><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-4955" src="http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/tsar_medvedev-253x300.jpg" alt="" width="253" height="300" /></strong>Medvedev will be reelected in 2012. Putin will continue on as Prime Minister. There will be some staff reshuffling, but nothing will really change. By 2012, the Russian economy should be doing much better. (I expect the same to be true in the U.S., where Obama will likely ride an &#8216;It&#8217;s the Economy, Stupid&#8217; mantra to a second term.)</p>
<p>The 2014 Sochi Olympic Games will not produce any major international embarrassments for Russia. Investigative reporters will have no trouble turning up horror stories about the waste that went into the project and the poverty it ignored alleviating in the surrounding areas, but I don&#8217;t expect any Dagestani terrorist attacks or roof collapses to indict the Kremlin for lousy management. As for Russia&#8217;s medal count: better than it was in Canada, but still low enough to trigger another slew of articles about the collapse of Soviet sports training.</p>
<p>Sooner or later, Alexei Kudrin will be ousted from his position in the Ministry of Finance. This guy&#8217;s name is attached to too many revenue-saving, unpopular budgetary measures for him not become a political liability eventually. I don&#8217;t expect him to go the route of Andrei Illarionov, however. He&#8217;ll be honorably discharged and put to use in some less public capacity.</p>
<p>The Solidarity Movement will fizzle out within the next few years, to be replaced by the next &#8216;it&#8217; conglomeration of the very same individuals. Maybe they&#8217;ll call it the &#8216;March of the Raging 31 Dissidents.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>What are you plans for A Good Treaty?</strong></p>
<p>I intend to simply keep posting 1-2 pieces every week on topics of my choosing. I like to alternate between big-headlines-grabbers (like the Russian spy ring) and stuff that requires me to be a bit more inventive and take time to research (like previous posts on Russian defamation law, the recent FSB law, the &#8216;Clean Water&#8217; program, and so on). Unfortunately, based on the WordPress statistics to which I have access, it&#8217;s these latter posts that generate substantially fewer readers. I can&#8217;t blame the interwebs for sending me less traffic when I&#8217;m not writing about hot topics, but it is a little disappointing to know that some of the stuff that takes to most work to write is also the least popular.</p>
<p>The biggest thing I&#8217;ve started doing in connection with the blog recently is actively using Twitter. I include a snapshot stream of my tweets in the lefthand column on the blog, but I hope users will actually subscribe to my feed on Twitter itself, as this allows me to better track my followers, and allows for opportunities to interact with readers/users &#8212; which is something I love about the service.</p>
<p>There is a possible Russia blogging collaboration project in the works with Mark Adomanis, but I really can&#8217;t say anymore because I don&#8217;t know anything more than that. He contacted me recently about the idea, and we tentatively agreed to make something happen. As I said above, Mark is a very talented writer, and I&#8217;m pretty excited about the idea of mooching shamelessly off his celebrity. Thanks, Marco!</p>
<p><strong>And thank you, A Good Treaty, for an excellent interview!</strong></p>
<p>If you wish me to interview you or another Russia watcher, feel free to <a href="http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/contact/">contact me</a>.</p>
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<p>You can follow these interviews at <a href="http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/category/darussophile/watching-the-russia-watchers/">Watching the Russia Watchers</a>. They will consist of about 15 questions &#8211; most of them standard ones and a few specific to the interviewee. I&#8217;m not as nice as Andy, so you can expect the latter to be probing, even combative. I will try to avoid taking any ideological stance: I want to have every interviewee, no matter their beliefs, leaving the stage with fear and trembling. <img src='http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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