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	<description>Anatoly Karlin on Eurasia, geopolitics, and peak oil</description>
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		<title>Comment on Interview with A Good Treaty by Global Voices em Português &#187; Rússia: Entrevista com o Blogueiro Russo &#8216;A Good Treaty&#8217;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Global Voices em Português &#187; Rússia: Entrevista com o Blogueiro Russo &#8216;A Good Treaty&#8217;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 20:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Oblivion [Sublime Esquecimento] entrevista o autor do blog A Good Treaty [Um Bom Acordo], continuando a série de entrevistas Watching the [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Interview with A Good Treaty by peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 16:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In alphabet order:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://amoro1959.livejournal.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;amoro1959&lt;/a&gt; (&lt;a href=&quot;http://russ.ru/avtory/Morozov-Aleksandr&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Александр Морозов&lt;/a&gt;, occasional commenter &quot;гп&quot; is Глеб Павловский),
&lt;a href=&quot;http://farma-sohn.livejournal.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;farma-sohn&lt;/a&gt; (Эдуард Надточий),
&lt;a href=&quot;http://ivand.livejournal.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ivand&lt;/a&gt; (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.saltt.ru/authors/ivan-davydov&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Иван Давыдов&lt;/a&gt;),
&lt;a href=&quot;http://kashin.livejournal.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;kashin&lt;/a&gt; (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.kommersant.ru/authors/author.aspx?id=346&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Олег Кашин&lt;/a&gt;),
&lt;a href=&quot;http://krylov.livejournal.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;krylov&lt;/a&gt; (&lt;a href=&quot;http://russ.ru/avtory/Krylov-Konstantin&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Константин Крылов&lt;/a&gt;),
&lt;a href=&quot;http://ksonin.livejournal.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ksonin&lt;/a&gt; (&lt;a href=&quot;http://fir.nes.ru/ru/people/Pages/Display.aspx?itemid=17&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Константин Сонин&lt;/a&gt;),
&lt;a href=&quot;http://m-yu-sokolov.livejournal.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;m-yu-sokolov&lt;/a&gt; (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.expert.ru/authors/sokolov/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Максим Соколов&lt;/a&gt;),
&lt;a href=&quot;http://sergmitron.livejournal.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;sergmitron&lt;/a&gt; (&lt;a href=&quot;http://russ.ru/avtory/Mitrofanov-Sergej&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Сергей Митрофанов&lt;/a&gt;),
&lt;a href=&quot;http://vasya-lozhkin.livejournal.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;vasya-lozhkin&lt;/a&gt; (Вася Ложкин),
&lt;a href=&quot;http://zt.livejournal.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;zt&lt;/a&gt; (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.kommersant.ru/authors/author.aspx?id=44&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Дмитрий Бутрин&lt;/a&gt;).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In alphabet order:<br />
<a href="http://amoro1959.livejournal.com/" rel="nofollow">amoro1959</a> (<a href="http://russ.ru/avtory/Morozov-Aleksandr" rel="nofollow">Александр Морозов</a>, occasional commenter &#8220;гп&#8221; is Глеб Павловский),<br />
<a href="http://farma-sohn.livejournal.com/" rel="nofollow">farma-sohn</a> (Эдуард Надточий),<br />
<a href="http://ivand.livejournal.com" rel="nofollow">ivand</a> (<a href="http://www.saltt.ru/authors/ivan-davydov" rel="nofollow">Иван Давыдов</a>),<br />
<a href="http://kashin.livejournal.com" rel="nofollow">kashin</a> (<a href="http://www.kommersant.ru/authors/author.aspx?id=346" rel="nofollow">Олег Кашин</a>),<br />
<a href="http://krylov.livejournal.com/" rel="nofollow">krylov</a> (<a href="http://russ.ru/avtory/Krylov-Konstantin" rel="nofollow">Константин Крылов</a>),<br />
<a href="http://ksonin.livejournal.com/" rel="nofollow">ksonin</a> (<a href="http://fir.nes.ru/ru/people/Pages/Display.aspx?itemid=17" rel="nofollow">Константин Сонин</a>),<br />
<a href="http://m-yu-sokolov.livejournal.com" rel="nofollow">m-yu-sokolov</a> (<a href="http://www.expert.ru/authors/sokolov/" rel="nofollow">Максим Соколов</a>),<br />
<a href="http://sergmitron.livejournal.com/" rel="nofollow">sergmitron</a> (<a href="http://russ.ru/avtory/Mitrofanov-Sergej" rel="nofollow">Сергей Митрофанов</a>),<br />
<a href="http://vasya-lozhkin.livejournal.com/" rel="nofollow">vasya-lozhkin</a> (Вася Ложкин),<br />
<a href="http://zt.livejournal.com" rel="nofollow">zt</a> (<a href="http://www.kommersant.ru/authors/author.aspx?id=44" rel="nofollow">Дмитрий Бутрин</a>).</p>
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		<title>Comment on Interview with A Good Treaty by A Good Treaty</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Good Treaty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 14:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the PDF link. I will read with great interest. Thanks also for the correction regarding my Kashin citation. I must have pulled the article from Kashin&#039;s LJ and not bothered to check the byline, which Kommersant annoyingly hides at the bottom of their articles.

So who makes the top ten of your friendlenta? Let&#039;s have it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the PDF link. I will read with great interest. Thanks also for the correction regarding my Kashin citation. I must have pulled the article from Kashin&#8217;s LJ and not bothered to check the byline, which Kommersant annoyingly hides at the bottom of their articles.</p>
<p>So who makes the top ten of your friendlenta? Let&#8217;s have it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Interview with A Good Treaty by peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 13:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No. Why?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No. Why?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Interview with A Good Treaty by peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 13:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Russian big politics is so perverse and nontransparent that Kremlinology is, for the large part, the only workable approach. As a practical advice, the first section of &lt;a href=&quot;http://scilla.ru/works/knigi/vlast2010.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this book&lt;/a&gt; is a useful primer on who&#039;s whose in Kremlin, the rest of the book and the author&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.anticompromat.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;website&lt;/a&gt; are solid reference sources.

As another remark, if I may, I find the ЖЖ part of your blog reading list a bit peculiar. All your picks are on my френдлента too, but if there was, say, a ten or twenty friends limit, none of them would&#039;ve made the cut. Well, except Kashin of course. By the way, while we&#039;re at it, &lt;a href=&quot;http://agoodtreaty.wordpress.com/2010/06/01/putin-shevchuk-roundup/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the article you attributed to Kashin&lt;/a&gt; is actually by Andrei &quot;Я Путина видел&quot; Kolesnikov.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Russian big politics is so perverse and nontransparent that Kremlinology is, for the large part, the only workable approach. As a practical advice, the first section of <a href="http://scilla.ru/works/knigi/vlast2010.pdf" rel="nofollow">this book</a> is a useful primer on who&#8217;s whose in Kremlin, the rest of the book and the author&#8217;s <a href="http://www.anticompromat.org/" rel="nofollow">website</a> are solid reference sources.</p>
<p>As another remark, if I may, I find the ЖЖ part of your blog reading list a bit peculiar. All your picks are on my френдлента too, but if there was, say, a ten or twenty friends limit, none of them would&#8217;ve made the cut. Well, except Kashin of course. By the way, while we&#8217;re at it, <a href="http://agoodtreaty.wordpress.com/2010/06/01/putin-shevchuk-roundup/" rel="nofollow">the article you attributed to Kashin</a> is actually by Andrei &#8220;Я Путина видел&#8221; Kolesnikov.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Interview with A Good Treaty by AK</title>
		<link>http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/2010/07/28/interview-a-good-treaty/#comment-6664</link>
		<dc:creator>AK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 11:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>peter, are you a fan of Wilson&#039;s ideas on virtual politics?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>peter, are you a fan of Wilson&#8217;s ideas on virtual politics?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Interview with A Good Treaty by A Good Treaty</title>
		<link>http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/2010/07/28/interview-a-good-treaty/#comment-6662</link>
		<dc:creator>A Good Treaty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 01:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a fair point. Do you think it would be more effective or truer-to-life to conduct more of a Kremlinology-type approach, looking for figures in the administration and in United Russia, unpacking their personalities, and so on?

I&#039;m curious to know what you think could be an improvement, as I&#039;ve been thinking about this myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a fair point. Do you think it would be more effective or truer-to-life to conduct more of a Kremlinology-type approach, looking for figures in the administration and in United Russia, unpacking their personalities, and so on?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m curious to know what you think could be an improvement, as I&#8217;ve been thinking about this myself.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Interview with A Good Treaty by A Good Treaty</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Good Treaty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 00:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glossy, thanks very much for that. I&#039;d say you&#039;ve certainly raised some doubts about the study. Thanks for your take on the matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glossy, thanks very much for that. I&#8217;d say you&#8217;ve certainly raised some doubts about the study. Thanks for your take on the matter.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Interview with A Good Treaty by Glossy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glossy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 00:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just looked through it. They collate data gathered by 10 different organizations. 

&quot;Not all sources rank all countries of the index.&quot;

&quot;A country must be covered by a minimum of 3
different sources to be ranked in the CPI.&quot;

The first two organizations listed are the Africa Development Bank and the Asian Development Bank. Obviously, the first must have concentrated on Africa and the second on Asia. A question immediately arises: when the respondents to the Africa Development Bank&#039;s survey rated African countries, were they comparing them to the rest of the world or only to other African countries? I&#039;m sure they were told to rate on an absolute, universal scale, but people often think in relative scales instead. &quot;Well, by African standards, this is a 6&quot; and so on. If you look at the table of correlation coefficients on page 5, you&#039;ll see that the Africa Development Bank&#039;s data correlated poorly with data from other sources. 

Of course the above is just a guess of mine and the weirdness of the results could be due to other, unknown-to-me causes. And the results ARE weird. I&#039;m looking at their 2008 list right now and Botswana is there at 5.8, while the Czech Republic is at 5.2. Russia is at 2.1, tied with Bangladesh, Kenya and Syria. Liberia is at 2.4. AGT, I&#039;m curious, do you think that Russia is more corrupt or less corrupt than Liberia?

I see that one of TI&#039;s sources is the Economist Intelligence Unit, which &quot;uses its panel of experts’ assessment on the incidence of corruption.&quot; So the EIU doesn&#039;t interview businessmen, it uses its own experts instead. OK. The Economist magazine&#039;s political stances are well-known. I would describe them as libertarian and neoconservative. Fans of Putin they&#039;re not. 

Again, this doesn&#039;t prove anything and I am just trying to guess why the results look they way they do. Generally speaking, the most typical cause of survey results failing the face validity test is bad sampling. Are the samples representative of the population being studied? Here the relevant populations would be businessmen and journalists. I can&#039;t answer that last question just by looking at a 10-page methodology booklet. All I can provide are guesses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just looked through it. They collate data gathered by 10 different organizations. </p>
<p>&#8220;Not all sources rank all countries of the index.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;A country must be covered by a minimum of 3<br />
different sources to be ranked in the CPI.&#8221;</p>
<p>The first two organizations listed are the Africa Development Bank and the Asian Development Bank. Obviously, the first must have concentrated on Africa and the second on Asia. A question immediately arises: when the respondents to the Africa Development Bank&#8217;s survey rated African countries, were they comparing them to the rest of the world or only to other African countries? I&#8217;m sure they were told to rate on an absolute, universal scale, but people often think in relative scales instead. &#8220;Well, by African standards, this is a 6&#8243; and so on. If you look at the table of correlation coefficients on page 5, you&#8217;ll see that the Africa Development Bank&#8217;s data correlated poorly with data from other sources. </p>
<p>Of course the above is just a guess of mine and the weirdness of the results could be due to other, unknown-to-me causes. And the results ARE weird. I&#8217;m looking at their 2008 list right now and Botswana is there at 5.8, while the Czech Republic is at 5.2. Russia is at 2.1, tied with Bangladesh, Kenya and Syria. Liberia is at 2.4. AGT, I&#8217;m curious, do you think that Russia is more corrupt or less corrupt than Liberia?</p>
<p>I see that one of TI&#8217;s sources is the Economist Intelligence Unit, which &#8220;uses its panel of experts’ assessment on the incidence of corruption.&#8221; So the EIU doesn&#8217;t interview businessmen, it uses its own experts instead. OK. The Economist magazine&#8217;s political stances are well-known. I would describe them as libertarian and neoconservative. Fans of Putin they&#8217;re not. </p>
<p>Again, this doesn&#8217;t prove anything and I am just trying to guess why the results look they way they do. Generally speaking, the most typical cause of survey results failing the face validity test is bad sampling. Are the samples representative of the population being studied? Here the relevant populations would be businessmen and journalists. I can&#8217;t answer that last question just by looking at a 10-page methodology booklet. All I can provide are guesses.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Interview with A Good Treaty by A Good Treaty</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Good Treaty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 18:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate the sentiment that T.I.&#039;s results don&#039;t jive with popular notions or stereotypes, but I&#039;ve still yet to hear much in the way of specifics about why this report&#039;s methodology is really flawed. I get it that you don&#039;t like the fact that comparisons are even being made, but let&#039;s focus on the idea that a monitoring group analyzed Russian transparency and gave it a low grade. In a vacuum, what are your issues with how they did this? 

I&#039;m not asking you guys to go master quantum physics here. That PDF laying out their methodology (see link above) is literally just a collection of questions with quantifiable answers, put to businesspeople and professional experts/scholars. 

I think this discussion would benefit immensely from one of you discontents actually reading the thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate the sentiment that T.I.&#8217;s results don&#8217;t jive with popular notions or stereotypes, but I&#8217;ve still yet to hear much in the way of specifics about why this report&#8217;s methodology is really flawed. I get it that you don&#8217;t like the fact that comparisons are even being made, but let&#8217;s focus on the idea that a monitoring group analyzed Russian transparency and gave it a low grade. In a vacuum, what are your issues with how they did this? </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not asking you guys to go master quantum physics here. That PDF laying out their methodology (see link above) is literally just a collection of questions with quantifiable answers, put to businesspeople and professional experts/scholars. </p>
<p>I think this discussion would benefit immensely from one of you discontents actually reading the thing.</p>
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