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  • Posted by solar sun 10 months ago. There are 31 posts. The latest reply is from solar sun.
  1. I am going start a thread which is of vital importance and which got me interested in Russia in the first place that since the Mid 70's and especially when the Soviet Union started to dissolve in 89 and pre-planned agenda to reshaped the map of Europe and Eurasia along a pro-US/British axis eliminating a potential of an Eastern block economic sphere with Germany and a genocidal war strategy specifically targeted against the destruction of Russia but also the Eurasian sphere in general.

    The methods through the main instruments that they wish to achieve this are

    a) Economic - Tying down the Russian economy into the US global system through the IMF reforms dismantling the manufacturing industry of the post USSR Russian economy and putting the country under control of a handful of western aligned Jewish Oligarchs most of which being citizens of Israel and causing a deliberate demographic shift decreasing the ethnic Russian population who are not able to sustain population growth with the high birth rate amongst Muslim non-ethnic Russian population.

    b) Terrorism and organised crime – Starting in 89 foreign Jihadist’s scholars and NGO’s start coming into Dagestan and since 92 the CIA, MI6, BND, French, Turkey and Saudi Arabian intelligence started covertly training and setting up organised crime networks from Moscow and St Petersburg to Chechnya and making contacts in the Russian army to supply weapons to Chechen militants with the first step being to create a bridge and network links between Middle Eastern terrorists organisations with European and African groups and a financial conduit to finance there terrorist activities in Chechnya and Eurasia. Just like the Nazis planned in Operation Blue during WW2. The Al Qaeda network is a hoax with no evidence it existed in the first place and this is what we are fighting against.

    c) Subversion - Through media and NGO’s. Presenting Russia in a negative image through front NGO’s inside Russia and abroad with phoney human rights groups which are financed by the British foreign office or NED or Soros Human Rights Watch and the heavily financed by the likes of Soros Amnesty International (which is said to be a creation of MI6 although I can’t find any evidence of who funds Amnesty) and financing political groups in Russia through NED/ Soros “Other Russia” coalition and affiliates like the AEI, Jamestown Olin foundation. And abroad in 100% negative attacks and opinions in the mass media in Europe, Canada, Australia, Arabs countries and the US.

    d) NATO and regional alliances - We already seen this in the Balkans against the Serbs especially the Kosovo war in 99 and the Georgian conflict with Soros funded and US supported coloured revolutions in Serbia, Georgia and Ukraine the later 2 fascist anti-Russian regimes and NATO military presence for a future assault against Russia sabotaging gas supplies to Europe.

    e) History and revisionism - Bring up Communist past as a point to portray Russia as evil and aggressive and Russian mentality as psychotic although the Communist COUP in Russia was financed, organised and lead by non Russians and lets be un PC about it Jewish Marxists groups and exiled in Europe and the US who comprised the bulk of the first Communist supported and fully backed by western media and government up until the end of WW2. Also note that the Neocons mostly Jewish ex-Communist former followers of Leon Trotsky who shifted to “conservatism” during the late 60’s when USSR broke of relations with Israel to save trade and military agreements.

    One of the major figures involved in this is George Soros who I will do a biography of his history and activities in a later post.

  2. It is certainly in the US interest to maintain a balance of power in Eurasia such that no hegemon capable of challenging it ever emerges, and uses an array of methods like alliances with weaker parties in opposition to emerging hegemons, "spoiling attacks", economic pressure, etc, to preempt their rise. In this sense it is just a successor of the British Empire, except on a bigger scale. (E.g. see Obama and the U.S. Strategy of Buying Time).

    However, many of the specific examples you give are of a conspiratorial nature (not very reliable) and assume that Russia is entirely manipulated by these dark forces with no control over its own destiny.

  3. @Anatoly Karlin

    I will post a response latter.

    When they have a stated policy and is a fact that the same groups of people and organisations are in senior positions driving this policy then I don't see what so unreliable.

    Yet you cite Stratfor whose analysis criticizes Russia and others of conspiratorial agenda against US interests who make the bogus accusation that Russian has a network of FSB agents and Chechen and organised crime operating throughout Europe that the Kremlin can utilise to kill dissidents around the world that they citied in there analysis when a Chechen exile was killed in Vienna (Of course Vienna is home to intelligence front NGO's that were operating since the Bosnian war in the Balkans smuggling weapons to Islamic militants which they still operate today in the Balkans and have connections to organised crime like like drug and sex trafficking so a criminal gangland dispute might be the motive for his death).

    However, many of the specific examples you give are of a conspiratorial nature (not very reliable) and assume that Russia is entirely manipulated by these dark forces with no control over its own destiny.

    Thats not what I am saying at all. Yes I am saying the US and other governments and affiliated establishment figures like Soros are working to undermine Russian influence and gain control of Eurasian sphere from developing into an independent that its pretty evident as all the opposition groups in Russia are supported and financed under the NED Other Russia coalition of other who also finance and support the various Islamic and non-Islamic separatist groups in Eurasia are on the payroll of NED affiliated organisations.
    With the rise to power of Putin in 2000 he has put Russia in position of power and offset Russia's engineered collapse trying to build up the Russian economy, taking the country back from the Oligarchs, putting state assets of oil and gas which the country is dependent upon under state control, fighting the terrorist insurgency in the Caucasus, etc. That's why the US and others have done everything possible to undermine the Putin government.

  4. I am curious as to why the author names this a "war" or why this news is considered noteworthy. With the exception of 'B' and 'A', which I shall need more evidence to accept, I see nothing unusual. The United States tries to undermine a potential rival, and citizens of the U.S. cling to Cold War perceptions of Russia and her people. This is to be expected, is it not?

  5. @T. Greer

    And how is it not a war. As evidence I refer you to my antiwar.com interview that I posted on Sidel Edmonds and could post more articles latter like the August 12 2005 Daily Mirror article Hate Preachers Siezed at Dawn which features a pictures of Abu Qatada and beside him text notes that mentions that a) up until 9/11 he was in the pay of MI6 b) in 2001 he was held with £805 in an envelope and a message for the mujahadeen in Chechnya and c) recruitment videos for Chechen Jihad

    Important to note country of origin and ethnicity of these Al Qaeda terrorists

    If you read Paul Murphys book wolves of Islam and check out Andy Wilcox slobodan-milosevic.org news archive and Milosevic trial transcripts you will begin to understand what Al Qaeda actually is and why we are in Afghanistan.

    BBC documentary The Power of Nightmares is an interesting documentary were it said Al Qaeda is fake citing CIA officials and terror experts. Have you seen it?

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    Note that the embassy bombings in Africa were militants recruited from Chechen camps run by his brother Abdullah Bin Ladin a CIA Saudi intelligence affiliate who financed Chechen camps in Afghanistan and Bosnia and is the largest international terrorist financier in the world as well as Al-Haramain a Chechen link charity to the attacks.

    Al-Haramain charities - the Al-Haramain & Al-Masjed A1-Aqsa Charity Foundation - a Riyadh, Saudi Arabia-based organization which was declared on September 9, 2004, by the US Treasury Department to be a terrorist-related organization. (1) Significantly, Al-Haramain was specifically linked by the US Government to the support of terrorist operations in Chechnya, as well as al-Qaida operations against the two US embassies bombed in Nairobi and Dar es-Salaam in 1998.

    http://www.slobodan-milosevic.org/dfasc1004.htm

    And how is it not noteworthy. We went to war with the accusation that Saddam had connections to Al Qaeda and 9/11 and bombed Afghanistan because they allegedly harboured Al Qaeda.

    And if there is no serious threat in Afghanistan why are we there?

    And its not to combat drugs as most come into Europe from KLA controled Kosovo distributed through Albanian organised crime networks created by the CIA and NATO during the 90's.

    So state sponsored terrorism and a plan to destroy a country is not a war?

    And as with my points above they are all inter-connected just like how the toppled the Czar and installed Communism in Russia.

    The Bolshevik takeover of Russia did not just happen because the masses were disillusioned with the Czarist regime with its leaders financed by the world’s wealthiest banking families. It was a decade’s long process of media, terrorist, financial and proxy warfare. Just as is happening right now.

  6. Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare 2
    Propaganda warfare preparing us for war against Russia?

    I have mentioned before about state sponsored terrorism against Russia and in the Eurasian sphere and pushing Russia as a threat. And what I feared and speculated is that the CIA/MI6/Mossad would launch a series of false flag terror attacks in Russia’s near abroad like the Baltic’s Russian minority population there and blame it on Russia claiming it as a pretext for Russia to annex Russian speaking sections of the country supporting an insurgency.

    This has been a common theme of Russia as the enemy in the media that it wants to reinstate its former empire, old KGB group control the Kremlin, has ties to organised crime and Chechen militants that it can utilise around the world and is preparing to train insurgency in Russian speaking minority regions outside of Russia in neighbouring states.

    Here is the plot outline from Wikipedia

    Plot

    Modern Warfare 2 is set five years after the conclusion of Call of Duty 4. Despite the efforts of the Marines and the SAS, the Ultranationalists seize control of Russia and declare Zakhaev a hero and martyr. Meanwhile, Vladimir Makarov, one of Zakhaev's former lieutenants, begins a reign of terror against Europe by staging numerous terror attacks. The game begins in Afghanistan, where US Army Ranger Private Allen helps take an Afghan city from an army of militants. Impressed, General Shepherd recruits Allen as a CIA operative and places him in Makarov's organization as an undercover operative. However, Makarov is one step ahead. He kills Allen, exposes his identity as an American, and turns him into a scapegoat for a brutal terrorist attack on a Russian airport. Meanwhile, Soap and Roach infiltrate a Russian airbase to recover a lost ACS module.

    Angered by what they believe is an American-supported terrorist attack, Russia stages a surprise invasion of the United States East Coast. Private Ramirez and the US Army Rangers are called upon to defend Washington D.C. from the Russian attack. Meanwhile, Task Force 141 works on taking down Makarov. They go to Rio de Janeiro to chase leads on Makarov's contacts, but these turn out to be dead ends. As a result, Soap decides to rescue one of Makarov's most hated enemies from a Russian prison and use him as bait to draw him out. With assistance from the SEALS and Marines, Task Force 141 manages to free the prisoner, who is revealed to be Price. Price agrees to help them track down Makarov, but knows they must do something extreme to end the war. He temporarily goes rogue, hijacks a Russian nuclear submarine, and launches an ICBM at Washington D.C. However, Price rigs the warhead to explode in the upper atmosphere, which destroys the International Space Station but spares Washington. The resulting electromagnetic pulse cripples both the US and Russian forces in the city. Later, Ramirez and his squad discover that the Air Force will assume that D.C. is lost and carpet bomb the city. The only way to abort the operation is to set off green flares on the roof of the White House, which is under Russian control. Ramirez and his squad fight their way to the roof the building and manage to set off their flares in the nick of time, while green flares on the roofs of other D.C. landmarks signifies that the city remains firmly in American hands.

    Even with the current conflict over, Makarov is still on the loose. Narrowing down his hiding place to two separate locations, Task Force 141 decides to split up. Soap and Price go to the boneyards, whilst Roach and Ghost raid Makarov's safehouse. The latter obtain much vital intelligence to put an end to him for good. However, General Shepherd betrays them and kills both Ghost and Roach. He intends to take advantage of the global crisis to turn himself into a global hero as well as write history how he sees fit. Price and Soap manage to escape Shepherd's ambush and they decide to take revenge on him in one final, bloody suicide mission. Soap manages to kill Shepherd, but is seriously wounded in the process. Nikolai then arrives to extract them. Price warns Nikolai that they will be international fugitives for what they've done, but Nikolai insists he knows a safe place to take them.

    One scene of the game called No Russian for about 5 minutes it starts of you are an under US special agent with a group of Russian terrorists walking around Russian airport massacring hundreds of Russian civilians.

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    Don’t think this is a Psych-Op propaganda war against Russia?

    In the 2001 Tom Clancy Ghost Reacon game had a similar story of Russian backed insurgency in Georgia and the Baltics which exactly matched US/NATO pretext for the Georgia conflict athoough there propaganda and proxy war did not turn out the way they hoped.

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    Ghost Recon

    Ghost Recon begins in April 2008, with civil unrest in Russia borne out of an ultra-nationalist regime that came to power and placed its leader, Dmitri Arbatov, as president. The ultranationalists form the Russian Democratic Union (RDU) and conquer Ukraine, Belarus, and Kazakhstan, with eyes set on the former Soviet republics.

    During the first few missions of the game, the Ghosts battle Georgian rebels who are harassing the legitimate government and its allies. Their presence forces the Russian government to complain to the United Nations that the Americans have interfered in their affairs and eventually send in the army to aid the rebels. The Ghosts slow down the invading forces while foreign nationals evacuate the country. Eventually, the Ghosts are all that's left of US forces in Georgia and take the last helicopter out of the American Embassy in T'bilisi just as Russian forces storm the complex. The Georgian government flees to Geneva and sets up a government-in-exile while the RDU assimilates Georgia.

    The Ghosts are later redeployed to the Baltic states in response to a Russian invasion launched three days ahead of intelligence estimates. The game's second campaign focuses on the Ghosts' efforts to slow down the invasion to buy time for NATO units to arrive in force, with the closest of them coming from Germany. The Ghosts fight alongside American forces to push the Russian Army out of the Baltics, with victories in Utena, Rezekne, and Vilnius. The loss of the Baltic states takes its toll on the RDU with Arbatov blamed for the disaster and put under house arrest.
    The game's third and final campaign focuses on the Ghosts' forays into Russia, with their first mission being to free American and Russian POWs opposed to the government. The military executes President Arbatov which sparks a nationwide rebellion bordering on civil war. The ultra-nationalists quickly lose public support and many members of the RDU are also liberated or quit the alliance. The Ghosts later attack several Russian bases such as the naval base at Murmansk and the airbase at Arkhangel'sk, weakening the ultranationalists' combat power. The RDU forces finally attract strong international condemnation and practically dissolve after they detonate a nuclear weapon during a battle north of Moscow between the ultranationalists and a joint force of US and allied Russian combat units.

    After the Ghosts succeed in weakening the ultranationalists, NATO forces strike Moscow with the Ghosts spearheading the assault. The remaining ultra-nationalist forces marshal their armor and infantry in the wooded areas surrounding Moscow as a last line of defense. However, the Ghosts break through the lines and clear a path for NATO forces. On November 10, NATO forces finally reach a deserted Moscow, with the ultra-nationalist holdouts led by Prime Minister Karpin still in the Kremlin. After a final assault by the Ghosts in Red Square, the ultra-nationalists surrender and both the Americans and the newly-liberated Russians celebrate their victory

  7. I've written about the game Ghost Recon at Flare-up in the Caucasus at the outbreak of the 2008 South Ossetian War. Stunningly, they got the date correct, if not the circumstances.

    Re-the first game. Rather disquieting - though having supported the portrayal of terrorism, rape, etc in video games on the grounds of free speech, I am not going to complain. That said I think it is a good way of generating publicity by kicking up a shitstorm, rather than anything more sinister.

    Speaking of which, the reaction (or lack thereof) in the Western media will be interesting. So let's take bets:

    1) Will there be a shitstorm like there'd be if the people getting killed were Americans or colored?
    2) Will it pass over quietly since Russians are lesser whites and commies?

  8. @solar sun: do you think that Russian police squeezing cash of motorists on Russian roads is tightly controlled by the "west" or maybe Russians manage to do this by themselves?

  9. @Gerasim

    Well obviously not everything that happens in Russia like corruption is some part of western subversion but it is a FACT that a) western intelligence supports international terrorism in Russia and the Eurasian sphere b) the major organised crime figure are not ethnic Russian but Russian Jews with Israeli passports and links to western intelligence c) Soros, NED and other CIA fronts as well as the British foreign office supports and finances all the political opposition in Russia as well as the British foreign office supports and finances all the political opposition in Russia as well as human rights groups and media through various NGO’s. and d) they have a stated planned agenda for Russia that pretty much mimics what is happening now.

  10. As I think Anatoly pointed out before, the Russians make good baddies because they are so cool. Their language, their uniforms, even their alphabet and for all its technical shortcomings, the AK47 is the coolest weapon on earth. I heard those software designers calling the game 'gnarly'; I don't think they've been recruited by the NWO to help destroy Rus. In fact the airport scene may help convince Russians not to follow the British sheeple in giving up gun ownership rights.

    I notice that the remake of Red Dawn is no longer going to involve the Russians. It will probably be rubbish anyway. The original is one of my favourite films; despite being a bit daft it caught a lot of the 80s zeitgeist. And to be fair 1) They got actors to speak Russian and Spanish rather zen seely holleewood aaccents and 2) The themes were more complex than they were given credit for. It was not Reaganite Conservatism v Brezhnev state capitalism, but about anarchy v totalitarianism: the lowest character was the American liberal (in the context) politician. Col Bella and Strelnikov may have been brutes but not the kind of pansies to gag at a mass execution or betray their sons.

    The cinematography was nice as well.

  11. @Anatoly Karlin

    Actually there was key points in the Georgian war that was covered at the time but now forgotten about that indicate a) it was pre-planned by NATO/EU/US and Israel and b) it purpose was to ethnically cleanse South Ossetia and get Russian forces bogged down in Georgia and engulf the entire region Georgia and Russia’s South in guerrilla warfare.

    Good evidence of this is the fact that MPRI forces were training Georgian military in sabotage techniques who were involved in Operation Storm in the Krajina in 95 trying to use the same technique to provoke a response and a pretext for Georgia starting the war.

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    @Gregor

    But they were consulting with Special Forces people and intelligence analysis people when making the game. And I would like to know who produced the game and what there links are.

    But this is a constant theme of black propaganda like the Sum of All Fears where it shows Russians committing" genocide" in Chechnya by launching chemical weapons in Grozny which of course didn't happen and is the biggest black ops propaganda and it was the Chechens themselves with Turkey, Pakistan and Jordan that started the war by using the pretext of Russian intervention to restore order when civil war broke out between different factions in the region with training militants which began 2 years prior and running chartered flights and the fact that the capital from what I understand was 50% ethnic Russian with no air cover used.

    Note how Channel 4 an anti-Russian, pro-Chechen propaganda outlet sister cousin to Lord Rothschild’s Guardian newspaper aired the movie the weekend before the Georgian conflict. I don’t think this is a coincidence.

    Have you read Paul Murphy’s book Wolves of Islam?

    Anyway the next flash point won’t be Russia but Xinjing China with these Uigher exiles and activists that are being promoted in Europe and the US that I referenced in the Destabilizing Xinjiang and Grand Chessboard thread.

    To cut oil supplies from sea ports in China they may restrict cargo in the China Sea region by using North Korea as a pretext for increased US Navy presence in the region inspecting cargo vessels for nuclear material for North Koreas nuclear program.

    RAND Corporation the military/industrial wing of US foreign policy noted the significance of Xinjing in the geo-political sphere.

    "One of the main tools Washington is using in this affair in order to get Turkey involved in the Xinjiang affair is some Turkish Americans, primarily the Fetullah Gulen team who are prosecuted in absentia in Turkey for trying to found a theocratic State order in this country because he runs his activities from the United States, his protégé. Another Turk used in this affair is Enver Yusuf Turani, who is the self styled Foreign and Prime Minister of the East Turkistan Government in exile. He has been an American citizen since 1998. Enver Yusuf is in close cooperation with Fetullah Gulen... Their activities for the government in exile are based on a report entitled “the Xinjiang Project” drafted by Graham Fuller in 1998 for the Rand Corporation and revised in 2003 under the title “the Xinjiang Problem.” It emphasises the importance of the Xinjiang Autonomous region in encircling China and provides a strategy for it."

  12. UPDATE

    @ solar sun,

    Congrats - you're making a difference!

    I forwarded the YouTube video you unearthed to Peter Lavelle's Russia Discussion Group. A person with contacts there e-mailed it to Alyona Minkovski at Russia Today. Voila! (see at around 23:40).

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  13. @Anatoly Karlin

    You could have forwarded the Ghost Recon intro video as well but at least COD4: MW2 got mentioned.

    I'm actually suprised this hasn't been made an issue at all in the Russian press.

    I guess on reflection compared to literature in books and news items and when you look at it in context with the rest of the story it’s not really that bad the fact that it is so over the top with Russians invading the US and the white house.

    It's interesting though why they chose to make it an interactive sequence rather than just a cutscene a mean you literally just go around slaughtering Russians for about 3 minutes.

    But it is not the scene or the violence I have a problem with it is the fact they are promoting the idea that Russia will stage a series of false flag terror attacks when we know the US and other western intelligence is training Islamic militants in Russia and across the entire Eurasian sphere.

    Again I think the parallels to 1917 are amazing.

    I wonder if the British SAS consultants they brought in to oversee the game were involved in training along with the Turkish military KLA and Chechen militants in camps in Turkey.

    The site is down now but deconstruct.net had a good article on a court case of what these SAS trained KLA terrorists gangs did to civilians during and after the war where they would go into villages and bombing and massacre the people to get them to flee and the ones that didn’t were rounded up and torture in one case about a hundred were detained in a orphanage were a women was stripped naked, tied up cut with a knife or glass and her blood collected in a glass were either she or her torturer drank the blood others had their tongues cut out, finger nails ripped out with pliers and their throats slashed open.

    Actually I should have citied the scores of films and TV programmes that demonized the Serbs during the Balkans wars as an example of how media correlates with US foreign policy.

    Have you tried posting comments on Peters blog on the RT website?
    I can't get any of my comments posted.

  14. @solar sun:
    "... Soros, NED and other CIA fronts as well as the British foreign office supports and finances all the political opposition in Russia ..."

    Looking at the recent elections results and opinion polls, the only significant opposition in Russia are communists. Is this what you meant?

  15. Solar Sun, the impetus for evidence lies with he who makes the more extraordinary claim -- in this case, yourself.

    You ask how this is not a war. It is a rather curious request -- might I ask you how the Earth is not flat?

    That was tongue in cheek, but I hope you understand my point. For good or ill, the weight of evidence and argument lies with he who is arguing against orthodoxy.

    Perhaps a good place to start your case would be a concise definition of the word "war". I am afraid that you are expanding the definition of war far past its proper bounds. I take a rather strong stance against expanding the definition of terms like "war" and "security" - each expansion does nothing but cheapen the word until it has lost all the power and utility is once possessed.

    The "propaganda war" is a case in point. Propaganda is not war. It is propaganda. The two are not one and the same.

    But I am still waiting for the link between propaganda and this game to be made clear. Are you actually suggesting that the CIA or some other government organization wrote the storyline for this game's campaign mode? (Not that anybody will actually play the campaign anyway, but this is a different issue.) What other games can we chalk up to the insidious influence of propaganda war? The popular RTS series Command and Conquer pitted the United States against China and a global Arab terrorist organization. Is this included part of the propaganda war? How about Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell? The enemies in the last three games are, in order of the game's release date, from Indonesia, Japan, and Louisiana. How does this fit into the war?

    I could go on like this for some time - for every single game or movie published that casts the Russians in the role of the bad guys, there are two more who give that job to some insidious part of the CIA. There is no more evidence that Russophobic entertainment is insidiously planned than there is evidence that there are shadow puppets in the background trying to undermine American confidence in the CIA. In both cases, reality is much simpler. The distrustful perception Americans formed of both of these organizations during the Cold War is still here. Entertainment reflects the culture far more than it determines it.

  16. The last Tom Clancy game End War had Europe and the US fighting Russia and China over Europe for energy supplies.

    The "propaganda war" is a case in point. Propaganda is not war. It is propaganda. The two are not one and the same.

    Wrong propaganda is a form of information warfare that shapse people perceptions like our need to go into Iraq or this fake "war on terror" hoax. I would refer you to the documentary I post in the Balkans War thread of how PR and media was used to justifying war against Serbia. (I'll post documentary that exposes the fake Serb death camp as the best example later).

    It's all part of George Soros Open Society philosophy of "humanatarian intervention".

    Entertainment reflects the culture far more than it determines it.

    Wrong the mass media determines and shapes peoples perceptions/opinions.

    Write and finish this comment later when I have more time.

  17. But we are back to our original problem -- how can you attach "information" to the word "war" and still be describing anything related to war itself? In order to make propaganda a type of war you have to change the definition of war itself (in this case, the shaping of popular perception to favor armed intervention).

    We can talk about "info war" or "economic war", but separate from martial conflict they are useless terms. As with the phrases "war on drugs" or "war on cancer", the concept of conflict is being diluted to an extant that it is meaningless.

    (NOTE TO NITPICKERS: The above statement is in not meant as an attack on 4GW, nor serves as an adequate refutation of such. Notice that 4GW, while waged in a broader context than traditional wars, still maintains the martial conflict amidst all the new stuff.)

    A parting note -- I do not mean to suggest that mass media does not play a part in shaping culture. That would be silly; it is through the mass media the larger portion of ideas are transmitted throughout society. However, the relationship is one of interdependence. There is no cabal of news anchors whose expressed goal is to elect this President or declare war on this country. They, like everybody, are products of their culture. They are different only is their unparalleled ability to transmit their cultural ideals to larger audiences.

  18. To Anatoly and others who don’t that there is an extensive covert war against Russia (disregarding what I said about entertainment with the above video games that’s just an opinion) how do you explain the fact that the exact same network and people involved in supporting terrorism against Serbs in the Balkans during the 90’s which is well documented are also involved in terrorism in Russia with links also to groups across the whole Eurasian sphere as they are all inter-connected.

    Check out the news archives and read the Hague Tribune transcripts yourself at

    http://www.slobodan-milosevic.org

    http://www.slobodan-milosevic.org/hague.htm

    http://www.slobodan-milosevic.org/index_old.htm

    @T. Greer

    But we are back to our original problem -- how can you attach "information" to the word "war" and still be describing anything related to war itself? In order to make propaganda a type of war you have to change the definition of war itself (in this case, the shaping of popular perception to favour armed intervention).

    Without disinformation there would not be any war. I can't think of any major western conflict either by proxy like in the case of Afghanistan 79, the Balkans, Chechnya or Xinjing or warfare where they are directly involved like Afghanistan, Kosovo and Iraq 91 and 2003 where the pretext and justification for war has been a lie.

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    We can talk about "info war" or "economic war", but separate from martial conflict they are useless terms. As with the phrases "war on drugs" or "war on cancer", the concept of conflict is being diluted to an extant that it is meaningless.

    But these are geo-political warfare tactics if you do not have economic independence and you government is run like a colony where the major owners of major industry, media and government are foreigners like Ukraine and Russia during the 90's and they diliberatly de-industrialised the economy and production value of the Russian and Ukranian government so to reduce the standards for living and development encreased or sustained living capacity of the Russian and Ukranian populations.

    The effect is the same if you bombed the industrial base of a country in open warfare

    You obviously don’t attack a country when it’s strong you weaken then attack it.

    A parting note -- I do not mean to suggest that mass media does not play a part in shaping culture. That would be silly; it is through the mass media the larger portion of ideas are transmitted throughout society. However, the relationship is one of interdependence. There is no cabal of news anchors whose expressed goal is to elect this President or declare war on this country. They, like everybody, are products of their culture. They are different only is their unparalleled ability to transmit their cultural ideals to larger audiences.

    That’s an obvious false hood especially in relations to the US when Jewish Neoconservative and Non-Neocon Jewish writers and journalists and news outlet which is literally a monopoly in the US like Michael Coren We Should Nuke Iran Toronto Sun | Saturday, September 2, 2006 and Norman Podhoretz The Case for Bombing Iran I hope and pray that President Bush will do it Wall Street Journal, May 30, 2007 advocating war against Iran for the sake of Israel just like they did with Iraq or 60 minutes Mike Wallace anchor who interviewed the Iranian president edited the interview to give the impression he was aggressive and wanted to attack Israel.

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    And this is a subject that has been discussed on some websites and books like Paul Gottfried at TakiMag (does anyone know how to play aif files?) and Professor Kevin MacDonald and others historically especially during the first decades and in the 50’s with Communism dealing with the historical and predominant role of Jews in shaping society and leading intellectual political movements that advance Jewish interests through there enormous wealth especially there monopoly in banking and control of western mass media and prominence in academia.

    And they use holocaust iconography most noticeable in the case of Bosnians and Kosovars against the Serbs but also in other fields of geo-political interest like Chechnya and Sudan.
    This ties in with the Soros "humanitarian intervention" concept promotion which is ironic as he was a Nazi collaborator in his native Hungry.

    http://www.jewishaz.com/jewishnews/990402/kosovo.shtml

    http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/article.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10007266

  19. FWIW, the video game has been banned in Russia, also FWIW, I agree with Solar sun, to me the war is on, to me the war in Iran is on too, it's just not a shooting war yet. Come to think of it, in modern wars the shooting is actually the beginning of the end of the war.

    OT, is there a way to have email notification to subscribed topics?

  20. @JS6

    I could also state other things like the increased military bases in Europe, the half a dozen NATO military exercises on all of Russia's borders, the fact that an senior establishment think tank here in Britain analysis Russian military capability, and this constant Communist revisionism painting Russian's as pure villians.

    Michel Chossudovsky Global Research seems to be the only website tracking what NATO is doing.

    @Anatoly Karlin

    Excellent find on the article how did you find it?

    There is reliable information (beyond Russian allegations) that after Saakashvili came to power in 2004, Shamil Basaev—the Chechen militant responsible for the Beslan massacre—had a private meeting with Georgia’s interior minister and presumably was convinced that the new president would turn a blind eye to the activities in Pankisi Gorge. After being wounded in Afghanistan, Dokka Umarov, the head of al-Qaeda’s South Caucasian efforts, was treated in a Tbilisi hospital. His former boss, Ruslan Gelayev, who was killed by Russian border guards in 2004 while fleeing into Georgia, was said to be a close friend of Saakashvili. Gelayev and his henchmen were welcomed by the Georgian authorities because of their promise of violence in the Russian-controlled breakaway region of Abkhazia, a territory Saakashvili has all but forfeited after last August’s five-day war with Moscow.

    http://www.nationalinterest.org/Article.aspx?id=22498

    I will post it on other blogs and comment sections but why didn't you post it in this thread?

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